Found me another one!

Athrun[Zaft

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Hey there again everyone,

So I found this gorgeous little BSA SMLE No. 1 MK III for sale for about $500, overall VG+, bore is EXC. I have a few milsurps already, and I'm leaning over the fence to SMLEville with some envy, so... What is it that another caliber offers?
 
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No, I won't do it to you. You don't need or want another addiction.

One Smle leads to another Smle, then you need a gaggle of Lee Metfords, then a couple of Martinis in 303 and 577/450, just to check out the progression for yourself. From there on, there are the whole series of Marks and variations of other Lee Enfields.

One hundred rifles will give you a nice little representative collection to start out with.

Don't do it my friend. I promise you that you will enjoy every dime spent on them.
 
Perfect lung shot on a white tail doe at 200 meters using the adustable distance rear sight (can some please tell me the proper term for these) on my smle no.I mkIII with some cheap 180 grain winchester ammo got me hooked right quick. My favorite gun to shoot and I just freaking love it how cool it is!
 
Perfect lung shot on a white tail doe at 200 meters using the adustable distance rear sight (can some please tell me the proper term for these) on my smle no.I mkIII with some cheap 180 grain winchester ammo got me hooked right quick. My favorite gun to shoot and I just freaking love it how cool it is!
I bet she dropped like a sack of hammers
 
I bet she dropped like a sack of hammers

A little bit of over kill I'll admit. On the way back from a unsuccesful moose calling session, came out to the river and there she was down the bank. Still can't believe how good this rifle is, being a 1917. I don't get those kinda shots with any other iron sights rifle i got. Sure made some good liver that night I'll tell ya!
 
The SMLE is a temperamental old b*tch at times: wants her bedding and her ammo just SO.

Do what she asks and you have absolutely the toughest, most reliable battle rifle ever built anywhere, any time.

All that wood makes her so ugly that she's almost beautiful. It also protects your hands when that lightweight barrel gets hot...... something which is easier with this rifle than with anything else ever made.

The bolt throw is very short, magazine capacity is large and it reloads from chargers at incredible speed. The bolt is rear-locking and it is not a full 90-degree turn to lock because it is actually a screw-thread lock with the bolt lugs being the screw.

You can get off 10 rounds with an SMLE faster than you can with any other bolt rifle..... and you can KEEP IT UP. The rifle has been demonstrated many times at 67 rounds per minute function-firing, 37 rounds per minute aimed application. Just Sunday, Buffdog ran 10 rounds through a Number 4 (not quite so QUICK as an SMLE), all on target, at 150.... and did it in well under 15 seconds. Fairly decent for an Old Fart with a duff ticker...... but he knows how to work that bolt the Army way.

Ahhhh........ you wouldn't want some old POS like that..........

Oh, BTW, it was invented by a Canadian and it has been in production continually since 1879........ 133 years now........

but that wouldn't interest anyone, would it?
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The SMLE is a temperamental old b*tch at times: wants her bedding and her ammo just SO.

Do what she asks and you have absolutely the toughest, most reliable battle rifle ever built anywhere, any time.

All that wood makes her so ugly that she's almost beautiful. It also protects your hands when that lightweight barrel gets hot...... something which is easier with this rifle than with anything else ever made.

The bolt throw is very short, magazine capacity is large and it reloads from chargers at incredible speed. The bolt is rear-locking and it is not a full 90-degree turn to lock because it is actually a screw-thread lock with the bolt lugs being the screw.

You can get off 10 rounds with an SMLE faster than you can with any other bolt rifle..... and you can KEEP IT UP. The rifle has been demonstrated many times at 67 rounds per minute function-firing, 37 rounds per minute aimed application. Just Sunday, Buffdog ran 10 rounds through a Number 4 (not quite so QUICK as an SMLE), all on target, at 150.... and did it in well under 15 seconds. Fairly decent for an Old Fart with a duff ticker...... but he knows how to work that bolt the Army way.

Ahhhh........ you wouldn't want some old POS like that..........

Oh, BTW, it was invented by a Canadian and it has been in production continually since 1879........ 133 years now........

but that wouldn't interest anyone, would it?
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The nice juicy bait has been set on very large hook...

Good luck spitting that hook once bitten!

Although you won't regret it one bit!
 
The SMLE is a temperamental old b*tch at times: wants her bedding and her ammo just SO.

Do what she asks and you have absolutely the toughest, most reliable battle rifle ever built anywhere, any time.

All that wood makes her so ugly that she's almost beautiful. It also protects your hands when that lightweight barrel gets hot...... something which is easier with this rifle than with anything else ever made.

The bolt throw is very short, magazine capacity is large and it reloads from chargers at incredible speed. The bolt is rear-locking and it is not a full 90-degree turn to lock because it is actually a screw-thread lock with the bolt lugs being the screw.

You can get off 10 rounds with an SMLE faster than you can with any other bolt rifle..... and you can KEEP IT UP. The rifle has been demonstrated many times at 67 rounds per minute function-firing, 37 rounds per minute aimed application. Just Sunday, Buffdog ran 10 rounds through a Number 4 (not quite so QUICK as an SMLE), all on target, at 150.... and did it in well under 15 seconds. Fairly decent for an Old Fart with a duff ticker...... but he knows how to work that bolt the Army way.

Ahhhh........ you wouldn't want some old POS like that..........

Oh, BTW, it was invented by a Canadian and it has been in production continually since 1879........ 133 years now........

but that wouldn't interest anyone, would it?
.

Wow, Smellie... I'm convinced! She's a Canadian rifle then, is she? Well then, I just don't see how I can stay away. Silverdale's going to have one more Enfield on the line this Remembrance day!
 
James Paris Lee was born in Scotland and came to Canada in 1836, when he was 5 years old. He did all of his early gunsmithing and development in Ontario, then moved to the US in 1858 (Lee was 27).

After a couple of abortive efforts, he invented the entire concept of a box magazine beneath the action of a bolt rifle. Mauser and Mannlicher both developed their magazines from Lee's. He then turned to designing a very fast turnbolt rifle using this magazine, founded a company and got some financial backing. He contracted with the Sharps company to actually build his rifles, but Sharps' went bankrupt with the job only half completed. Remington had bought a lot of the Sharps equipment AND the existing parts for the Lee rifles. They offered Lee a job as a salesman, in return for which they would complete his rifles. This was the 1879 Remington-Lee rifle. It was adopted by the US Navy in .45-70 and by China in .43-77. Lee was Remington's representative in China and sold immense numbers of Remington Rolling Blocks to the Celestial Empire as well as some of his own rifles. Asked how he did it, for no-one else could get an order out of China, Lee quipped that, "With a name like Jimmie Lee, they probably think I'm related!". The fact was that Lee got along well with the Chinese simply by treating them as his equals. Works every time.

But THREE of those 1879 Lee Rifles were bought by the British Army and were sent to ENFIELD for evaluation. They passed an excellent test and Enfield saw the vast potential of this Scots/Canadian/American rifle. Remington also was working on improving the basic Lee Rifle and brought out an improved model as the Model 1885. Enfield bought a few of those, also. The Lee rifle was fitted with a barrel designed by Sir William Metford, produced as a Trials rifle and finally was adopted as the Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mark I in 1888. It took the vastly-improved new .303 cartridge, the experimental .402 having been overturned by the development of smokeless powders. The new rifles used black-powder ammunition for 4 years only, then Cordite ammunition was adopted in 1892.

It was found that the very hot Cordite wore the Metford barrels excessively, so, following more Enfield developments, a modified (Metford-designed) rifling was adopted in 1895 and the rifle became known as the Magazine Lee-Enfield. The Short rifle, the Rifle, Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield or S-MLE in its proper form, made its debut in 1902 and was adopted in its Mark III version in January of 1907. This rifle was the backbone of the British Army during two World Wars, served again in Korea, was produced in Australia into the 1950s and in India into the late 1960s and currently still is being made in the form of spare parts (every part except for the Body) in India and Pakistan both.

The Number 4 Rifle is a Lee rifle redesigned for modern manufacturing processes, with a heavy barrel. It has been produced since 1931.

James Paris Lee died in 1904.

He has never received the recognition he deserved for his huge contribution to our defence.

But that is, after all, the Canadian Way.
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Resistance is futile. You will be one of us. :D

I've shot a few milsurp rifles, and there's still nothing I like better than a No1Mk3*. Even if I'm left-handed!

Lou
 
James Paris Lee was born in Scotland and came to Canada in 1836, when he was 5 years old. He did all of his early gunsmithing and development in Ontario, then moved to the US in 1858 (Lee was 27).

After a couple of abortive efforts, he invented the entire concept of a box magazine beneath the action of a bolt rifle. Mauser and Mannlicher both developed their magazines from Lee's. He then turned to designing a very fast turnbolt rifle using this magazine, founded a company and got some financial backing. He contracted with the Sharps company to actually build his rifles, but Sharps' went bankrupt with the job only half completed. Remington had bought a lot of the Sharps equipment AND the existing parts for the Lee rifles. They offered Lee a job as a salesman, in return for which they would complete his rifles. This was the 1879 Remington-Lee rifle. It was adopted by the US Navy in .45-70 and by China in .43-77. Lee was Remington's representative in China and sold immense numbers of Remington Rolling Blocks to the Celestial Empire as well as some of his own rifles. Asked how he did it, for no-one else could get an order out of China, Lee quipped that, "With a name like Jimmie Lee, they probably think I'm related!". The fact was that Lee got along well with the Chinese simply by treating them as his equals. Works every time.

But THREE of those 1879 Lee Rifles were bought by the British Army and were sent to ENFIELD for evaluation. They passed an excellent test and Enfield saw the vast potential of this Scots/Canadian/American rifle. Remington also was working on improving the basic Lee Rifle and brought out an improved model as the Model 1885. Enfield bought a few of those, also. The Lee rifle was fitted with a barrel designed by Sir William Metford, produced as a Trials rifle and finally was adopted as the Lee-Metford Rifle Mark I in 1888. It took the vastly-improved new .303 cartridge, the experimental .402 having been overturned by the development of smokeless powders. The new rifles used black-powder ammunition for 4 years only, then Cordite ammunition was adopted in 1892.

It was found that the very hot Cordite wore the Metford barrels excessively, so, following more Enfield developments, a modified (Metford-designed) rifling was adopted in 1895 and the rifle became known as the Lee-Enfield. The Short rifle, the Rifle, Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield or S-MLE in its proper form, made its debut in 1902 and was adopted in its Mark III version in January of 1907. This rifle was the backbone of the British Army during two World Wars, served again in Korea, was produced in Australia into the 1950s and in India into the late 1960s and currently still is being made in the form of spare parts (every part except for the Body) in India and Pakistan both.

The Number 4 Rifle is a Lee rifle redesigned for modern manufacturing processes, with a heavy barrel. It has been produced since 1931.

James Paris Lee died in 1904.

He has never received the recognition he deserved for his huge contribution to our defence.

But that is, after all, the Canadian Way.
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Smellie, thank you very much for taking the time to write this out, it was a truly fascinating read; I'm something of a history buff, you see. I can't help but feel all patriotic now! :D

As a side note, is $500 for a BSA No.1 MK.III in the condition that I mentioned a good deal?

WOW, I've even got Lou here now! I'm nerding out a bit here...
 
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Don't do it man. As bearhunt said, it starts with one, next thing you know you don't have any more space to keep them all (my current conundrum). Then we get into bayonets for all of them, and there is another story.

So in closing, go buy that rifle before someone else steals it out from under you.
 
$500 is slightly on the higher side of the reasonable price spectrum for a "normal" No1Mk3*.

Note the presence of the "*" in the above sentence, it's important. Without it, the rifle is quite less common, but that's a whole different story. :)

A number matching, original SMLE, with excellent bore, sure, I can see it fetching $500. But at that price I'd expect even the forend and nose cap to be number matching, and the wood to be intact (not sanded by a previous owner to make it look "better").
 
If you buy one, you will want another. If you have two in the closet, they will BREED!
Last time I looked, there were over 150. How many more than 150, I am not sure.
 
If you buy one, you will want another. If you have two in the closet, they will BREED!
Last time I looked, there were over 150. How many more than 150, I am not sure.

Sounds like a great Opera topic "Gun horders, and their addiction"

That is one impressive amount of Enfields! I often wonder how you guys with very large collections actually store them all.
 
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