Found some guns....what are they?

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Alright I was looking through some of the storage in an old John Deere dealership and I happened to come across a stack of 6 guns across some shelves. From what I see so far a couple look like enfields, and one of them I know was an old bolt action cooey(no photos since I knew what it was). I want to know what these are for sure so I snapped some photos, although I only had like 15 seconds to snap photos so their kinda crappy. Could You guys help me identify these? I'm not looking for specific stuff like where they are manufactured, just what they are and a general timeframe from when they were made.
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I am really wondering what this one is...it almost looks like it feeds from the side?
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Pretty sure this is an enfield
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Not sure what this one is either?
 
Your "side loader"" is a Krag of some sort - either Norwegian or American. I don't know enough about them to tell you more, but I'm sure someone will chime in shortly.

# 2 is an Enfield, and and old one by the look of 'er.

#3 is a Ross - substantial (and justified) cult following for these. Is the bolt anywhere nearby?

#4 is a Mauser M. 71 (I believe).

Most important question - are they somewhere safe and not being abused any more? Seeing that rust turns my stomache. Those old ladies should be better respected.
 
Ya there not going anywhere. their upstairs just sitting on some shelves not getting touched. I think I might call the old guy and offer him $50 for the ones that *might* be able to be returned to shooting condition. $25 for the ones that can only be used as wall hangers.

I think these guns probably have been sitting in there since the 70's. He probably bought them out of the $20 bin at the local hardware store and used them to piss around with on slow days or something. There are also a couple of empty mortars sitting up there.
 
1. Krag, possibly Norwegian but could be a U.S. one, check the type of the receiver for a date, the Norwegian is a crown over a C over a date the calibers also also different with 6.5x55 Swedish being Norwegian and 3-40 Krag being the U.S.
2. SMLE No 1 Mk III, the date and maker should be on the right side of the butt socket.
3. Ross rifle Mk II by the looks of it, any idea where the bolt is ?
4. Gewehr 71.84, the date will be on the right side of the rear bridge, the maker will be on the top of the barrel.

These girls need a good cleaning with some steel wool and some love and care but they look better than most.

Are these rifles sporterizied or are they in full military ? The Krag looks like she is missing her hand guard, the Ross her bolt, but otherwise everything looks proper.
 
From what I saw the stocks weren't cut. I know for sure the Gewer was full length, and the others i'm pretty sure were all full length. How much would these all be worth if they all cleaned up fairly good?
 
Full military Norwegian krags would be worth a pretty penny as so many of them were cut down and turned into sporters.

The SMLE, depending on her date and matching numbers, could also fetch a fair sum.

The Ross Mk II, if she is full military with an unsanded stock with unit markings intact will probably get the most providing you can find the proper bolt for her.

Gewehr 71.84s in full matching military configuration have been seen to go for $600 + depending on date, maker, matching numbers, overall condition, and unit markings on the butt plate tang. This girl looks to be in fair condition as well.
 
Often, what seems like crap can be brought to life with a little bit of work, patience and know-how. If the parts are there, and the bore isn't totally dead, there's usually hope.

Lou
 
Gee, you know, a dealer with an attitude like this......

We`re looking at close to 4 grand worth of toys, mostly able to be brought back to decent shape with 2 or 3 hours`work each.......

....... and this hero wants to screw over the "old fart".

REALLY makes one want to respect the younger generation, help them to learn about the history and safe operation of their treasures, all kinds of things like that.

Guess I`m just another....

..................... old fart.
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Don't be too offended smellie, the young fella just hasn't been around long enough to taste the sting of karma yet that's all. Most people,like wine improve with age. With age and experience come mellowing,defeat of ego and sense of fairness in an unfair world.
I say help him. For let's say $20 a question. :p
 
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There isn't enough of the Cooey to really see whether it is a full length military trainer or the shorter mid' length stock. The long one would be worth a premium just because they were delivered on military contracts and not sold to the public. Any ones that are in circulation would have been surplus.

If the owner is alive, he deserves the credit of a respectable offer. Twenty bucks apiece might seem like a sucker offer to him too. Tell him what they are, what you think they are worth fully restored and then start the bargaining for a discounted price. Most old Prairie farmers hate to be taken advantage of by people who think they are smarter, especially when it comes to their old stuff. Let him have a little laugh at the ridiculous prices people will pay for his junk, but honesty will go further than not.
 
I guarantee if the owner knows anything about these milsurps, he won't let them go easily, certainly not for $20-50 a piece.

The value of information for you is that you know what these are now. From my earlier collecting experience I can pass this timbit along: do be careful not to sour the pending deal with low ball offers otherwise you risk the owner going to the next best bidder.
 
If possible, and the bolt is with it, I would be interested in buying the Ross. Been looking for a No2 for a long time. Hard to come by.
 
I'm not trying to lowball him, I just don't have alot of money. I just graduated high school and am trying to get my life going. I really didn't plan on coming across these rifles (hence "found some guns") so I really don't have much money put away for them. If he takes the offer then good, it gives me something to try and get back into working condition, although from looking at them the 2 enfields that were there they are prettywell rusted solid, along with the cooey (BTW it was just a single shot bolt action rifle, not a trainer). And this is just how I feel, but I find wall hangers kindof useless, if its a gun it should be shot, not meant to sit on a wall (thus me trying to put these in a better home).

And if I can't find the bolt for the ross am I even able to get another one for it?

Now that I know the value of the gewehr and the krag (the two that seem to be in the best condition) I might have to work something out with him on those.

But max I can really spend on this is around $300, and I think I would have a better chance to offer to take the whole lot off of him then take 2 and say i'll come back later for the rest.

By the way I wasn't meant to offend with the "old fart" comment, was just thinking out loud that I wouldn't put it past the guy for him to say that he wants to keep the guns he hasn't touched since the ~1970's.

Like I said i'm going to ask him, if he doesn't take the offer then thats ok, its his decision not mine. When I get more money later on I might re-visit this and make another offer. He might know the values of them, he has a couple of old military machines sitting in his back yard (most interesting is one of those tiny tracked troop carriers(could fit 4 or 5 in it) I saw a long time ago).

I know i've still got alot to learn, didn't mean to offend guys. Cheers,

outoftowner
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Well you have the right idea. Buying milsurps on a budget is never easy, especially when you are in school.

Let us know how the deal goes.
 
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