Well before you offer him something why don't you ask him what he wants for them. You could also offer to sell a couple for him and you get to keep a couple but I don't think pulling the wool over someones eyes is very ethical. It may also hinder you.
Found some guns....what are they?
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maple_leaf_eh
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If you only have $300, I'd be offering on the Ross. They are Canadian and sought after. The Krag is interesting as a US or Norwegian piece, but not a significant piece. The Cooey, well that is its problem. Everyone has one. The old Mauser was once a popular moose cartridge, but time marches on and so do collectors' interests. The No.1 Lee Enfield has a following, but a full wood Ross is not the one to pass up. As for a missing bolt, there are donor rifles in $hit condition for the asking.
As for the Universal Carrier, that is worth a couple grand. Condition is everything, and the more armour it has the better. Go to the mapleleafup dot com (dot ca?) forum and register. I guarantee you there are Westerners who will be interested. If a deal comes together, ask the farmer for the Ross as a finder's fee. And that grasshopper is how business is done!
outoftowner
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That sounds like a lot better of an idea.
And I don't think he would give up the universal carrier (nor would I have the money for it). Although If I had the money to make an offer I would do it in a second.
So If he wants more money I'll shoot for the ross first, the gewehr second, krag third (best quality out of all of them), then the enfields (already own one).
x2. Pay a fair price for whichever one you would prefer. In this case it's too bad we're no longer allowed to "sell for a friend" as he's unlikely to join CGN and put them up for sale himself. And they're most likely unregistered. Could you do a deal (in writing) where he could legally transfer them to you to be registered, but solely for the purpose of cleaning them up (cosmetic only) and posting on CGN to sell? With the LGR due to be scrapped it seems a shame to have to register them for a short(?) time but it might be better than waiting for the LGR to go. If they are salvageable, it would be good to see them go to good homes. Maybe in the meantime he'd let you do the cleanup and see if they are in good enough shape to sell.
Stuartoutoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
I wouldn't want to sell them. I want to expand my milsurp collection and if his price is too high ill re-visit this on a later date when I have more money. I don't wanna sound greedy but I would rather know where these guns are going than to sell them to some guy on the internetn
Dont feel bad about throwing a low offer in there, if he takes it good for you, if not too bad. If I payed market value for every millsurp I own my collection would be about 1/4 the size it is now. If he cared much about them they wouldent have been sitting in a storage area for 40 years, you will be doing everyone into millsurps a favour by taking them and cleaning them up.
bladerogers
CGN Regular
- Location
- South Saskatchewan
Just ask him if he'd be interested in getting rid of them. For all you know they may not even be his and he'll just say "take em if you want them". Or maybe they are faimily heirlooms that you have no chance in getting your hands on. You have an idea of the value now, but be forewarned there is work involved there, and "restoring" these is NOT sanding them and revarnishing. It is these questions you will want to ask here, how to properly bring them alive non-bubba
Just as Guy JR said. Karma....yeah right. Karma's for things like destroying peoples property, hurting peoples feelings... This has nothing to do with Karma, just ask.
Just as Guy JR said. Karma....yeah right. Karma's for things like destroying peoples property, hurting peoples feelings... This has nothing to do with Karma, just ask.
Before you get too excited, take pics of the whole rifle, and markings, and take a look at the bores. In the first pic I see a rifle with spliced on wood behind the Krag. In the second pic I can see a rifle in the background and it looks cut ahead of the rear band (could be the Krag) Hard to tell value from an action shot. If the Ross is full wood as you say, its worth around $1K, if its cut ahead of the rear band, its a $100-$200 rifle.
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I would go along with asking if he wanted to sell them and what he would want. It's even possible that he would say just take them. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and obviously they would go to a good home instead of rotting on the shelf. Even if you can only get one, you would be be preserving it.
If in operating condition, you can find or load ammo for all of them
If in operating condition, you can find or load ammo for all of them
Jwirecom109
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- Rural Alberta
I wish i came across old guns damn !!
ghostntheshell
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- GTA ONTARIO
trying to screw over an old man...
sheeseh.
Why not let him know what he has, offer to fix em up - and split the profits?
sheeseh.
Why not let him know what he has, offer to fix em up - and split the profits?
outoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
Did you not read my most recent posts about how I am going to ask him what he would want for them? I'm not trying to screw him over.
Also I don't plan on selling these firearms, if I am going to attain them they are going to be mine to shoot. I don't many milsurps so this would be a good start to a collection.
Also another thing noted is the old man I speak of is a multi-millionaire many times over....no need to worry about me screwing an old gentleman on his last dollar.
....yes that was my sad attempt at back pedaling
No worries...you didn't offend....we've all been where your at, that's all
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I do believe that anyone with over 800 posts on this Forum at least has a few clues as to what firearms are approximately worth. While the OP is apparently young, he should at least have a sense of fairness and ethics.
With his subsequent posts, I find that there seems to be several inconsistencies.
First of all, why did the OP have only 15 seconds to photograph them. Unless he was doing it without the knowledge of the owner maybe?
Then it seems when the firearms were identified, the visions of sugarplums, (in the form of dollars,) seems to have entered his head. To quote, "needs to get them into my possession." Add to this, the disrespect of an elderly man, "the old fart", by the OP, makes his later remarks a bit suspect.
Lets take the 1905 Ross for example. If the wood furniture is original, it is worth $250 to $400 alone, maybe more depending upon the unit stampings on the butt. A rear sight is $75-$100, and there are a lot of members that would pay a $50 bill for a good original nosecap. Add another $75 for bands, screws, and other metal pieces, and the price jumps to about $400-$450 AS IS. If you buy a bolt for about $200, then you could easily get $750-$1000 with a little bit of clean up effort. Not bad for a ridiculously low buying price of $25 to $50.
A full set of wood furniture for a No. 1 SMLE is $150 and up, depending upon condition. $40 for a Magazine, $40 for a complete bolt, and don't forget the small metal parts. So, $200-$250 for a couple of hours clean up. Not a bad profit.
And so on with the other rifles.
And as far as the Universal Carrier is involved, the OP seems to be thinking only of a way to make a profit from his discovery. If he can't buy it himself, why not suggest to the old man that a gift of it to a Military Museum would be appropriate? And it would also be tax deductable.
And last is the OP's justification for such unfair low offers is that " the old man is a Millionaire, so he doesn't need the money.
What ever happened to respect, honor, and fairness when dealing with people?
Well, at 70 years old, I, too, am an OLD FART. And I'm not buying the story. I am 400 miles from the Hat, but it almost seem that I am detecting a faint odor of Greed through the overpowering aroma of Bulls**t.
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I do believe that anyone with over 800 posts on this Forum at least has a few clues as to what firearms are approximately worth. While the OP is apparently young, he should at least have a sense of fairness and ethics.
With his subsequent posts, I find that there seems to be several inconsistencies.
First of all, why did the OP have only 15 seconds to photograph them. Unless he was doing it without the knowledge of the owner maybe?
Then it seems when the firearms were identified, the visions of sugarplums, (in the form of dollars,) seems to have entered his head. To quote, "needs to get them into my possession." Add to this, the disrespect of an elderly man, "the old fart", by the OP, makes his later remarks a bit suspect.
Lets take the 1905 Ross for example. If the wood furniture is original, it is worth $250 to $400 alone, maybe more depending upon the unit stampings on the butt. A rear sight is $75-$100, and there are a lot of members that would pay a $50 bill for a good original nosecap. Add another $75 for bands, screws, and other metal pieces, and the price jumps to about $400-$450 AS IS. If you buy a bolt for about $200, then you could easily get $750-$1000 with a little bit of clean up effort. Not bad for a ridiculously low buying price of $25 to $50.
A full set of wood furniture for a No. 1 SMLE is $150 and up, depending upon condition. $40 for a Magazine, $40 for a complete bolt, and don't forget the small metal parts. So, $200-$250 for a couple of hours clean up. Not a bad profit.
And so on with the other rifles.
And as far as the Universal Carrier is involved, the OP seems to be thinking only of a way to make a profit from his discovery. If he can't buy it himself, why not suggest to the old man that a gift of it to a Military Museum would be appropriate? And it would also be tax deductable.
And last is the OP's justification for such unfair low offers is that " the old man is a Millionaire, so he doesn't need the money.
What ever happened to respect, honor, and fairness when dealing with people?
Well, at 70 years old, I, too, am an OLD FART. And I'm not buying the story. I am 400 miles from the Hat, but it almost seem that I am detecting a faint odor of Greed through the overpowering aroma of Bulls**t.
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Dont lissen to these guys, there just mad they dident come across a nice stash of milsurps. Ask the guy what he wants and go from there. Some of these guys are treating you like you tryed to steal them. If you are both happy with the deal then its a good deal. Buffdog must be the kind of guy who picks up a a tea pot at a garage sale with a sticker on it for $1 and with respect, honor and fairness offers $10. Getting the deals is part of what makes collecting millsurps enjoyable.
Buffdog....the kid is just out of High school. I know what your saying. Trust me, with time and a few knocks/rocks in the road ahead, he too will learn. I know I did! Don't be too hard on him....by all means call him on his improprieties then let it go. Kinda like your old man most likely did with you when you were young and F$%ked up.
Maybe the op never had someone to show or tell him the ways of men?
OP...I do apologize for the "kid" comment, I mean no offence
Maybe the op never had someone to show or tell him the ways of men?
OP...I do apologize for the "kid" comment, I mean no offence
outoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
First of all, why did the OP have only 15 seconds to photograph them. Unless he was doing it without the knowledge of the owner maybe?
I had 15 seconds to photograph them because I was looking at them when my father and his boss (the manager of the location we were at, and of other locations) were looking at other things, my father and I were just travelling through and just as my father said we should leave it dawned on me that I should take photos and put them on gunnutz to see what these rifles are.
Then it seems when the firearms were identified, the visions of sugarplums, (in the form of dollars,) seems to have entered his head. To quote, "needs to get them into my possession." Add to this, the disrespect of an elderly man, "the old fart", by the OP, makes his later remarks a bit suspect.
Like I said, I did not mean to offend with the old fart comment, hell I even call my father an old fart(and he isn't event terribly old
Lets take the 1905 Ross for example. If the wood furniture is original, it is worth $250 to $400 alone, maybe more depending upon the unit stampings on the butt. A rear sight is $75-$100, and there are a lot of members that would pay a $50 bill for a good original nosecap. Add another $75 for bands, screws, and other metal pieces, and the price jumps to about $400-$450 AS IS. If you buy a bolt for about $200, then you could easily get $750-$1000 with a little bit of clean up effort. Not bad for a ridiculously low buying price of $25 to $50.
A full set of wood furniture for a No. 1 SMLE is $150 and up, depending upon condition. $40 for a Magazine, $40 for a complete bolt, and don't forget the small metal parts. So, $200-$250 for a couple of hours clean up. Not a bad profit.
And so on with the other rifles.
Like another poster suggested, I am going to ask the owner what he would want for them, if he says take them good for me, if he says something higher then I will need to build up some money. simple as that. This is me thinking out loud here, but say he decides to take them into a gunstore to sell them, what is the store owner going to offer? A ross with a missing bolt(as far as I know), rusted and so on. I wouldn't put it past the store owner to only offer him $50 with all the work that would need to be done to the rifle. But I could be way off with that figure.
And as far as the Universal Carrier is involved, the OP seems to be thinking only of a way to make a profit from his discovery. If he can't buy it himself, why not suggest to the old man that a gift of it to a Military Museum would be appropriate? And it would also be tax deductable.
I really don't think he would ever sell the universal carrier. And how did you get out of what I said that I would be in for it to make profit? I said if I had the money for it (I don't even know what market value is for these things) I would try and buy it. Who wouldn't want to own one?
And last is the OP's justification for such unfair low offers is that " the old man is a Millionaire, so he doesn't need the money.
I was just saying that because after looking at my posts I didn't want to give people the idea that I am going to grab these rifles from some old man that barely can afford to keep a roof over his head. For all I know he could have 100 more rifles sitting in a closet in his basement.
What ever happened to respect, honor, and fairness when dealing with people?
Well, at 70 years old, I, too, am an OLD FART. And I'm not buying the story. I am 400 miles from the Hat, but it almost seem that I am detecting a faint odor of Greed through the overpowering aroma of Bulls**t.
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Hope that cleared some things up. I know I am still learning things, and sometimes I don't quite know how to word things so they may come across the wrong way. My apoligies for that.
