outoftowner
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Thanks, not going to lie i'm going to be a little bit more gunshy (no pun intended
) of the milsurp section after this. 
Found some guns....what are they?
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Thanks, not going to lie i'm going to be a little bit more gunshy (no pun intended
) of the milsurp section after this. 
Deals, fairness and stuff
First of all, Sonny, we are not mad because we didn't come across a stash of Milsurps. There are people who replied to this post, such as JOHN SUKEY, SMELLIE, and others who know where more stuff is than most people will ever see. And if we do not want it, but know of someone who collects in that field, we pass the information along. But in the Gun Shows and areas where we frequent, if you attempt to pull a shady deal or really try to screw someone, word gets around fast, and you will find yourself shut out very quickly.
The other thing we do is make deals. We can make a phone call, and based on our reputation in the Firearms and Collectors fraternities, our word is quite good enough to make that deal. In some cases, for Thousands of dollars, and it is honored by both parties.
In your attempt to ridicule with the analogy about the tea pot in the Garage Sale, if I did buy the Tea Pot that was priced at $1, I would pay the full $1 and not try to get it for 10 cents. In the Tea Pot case, the Seller has put a price on it that he has set himself, and if he gets $1 for it, then he is happy, and I have got a good deal. However, if I knew the Tea Pot was worth $10, (after researching it and getting some advice and prices,) and went back, criticised, haggled, derided and offered 50 cents for it, with the intentions of reselling it for a large profit, then that is a different matter.
There are also certain "red flags" that appear concerning genuine intentions. Here is one of them, from post number ONE. "Could You guys help me identify these? I'm not looking for specific stuff like where they are manufactured, just what they are and a general timeframe from when they were made.
From Post number TWENTY SEVEN, I wouldn't want to sell them. I want to expand my milsurp collection.
The reason that this "red flag" goes up is that any genuine collector WANTS TO LEARN AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY CAN ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC COLLECTION.
It would appear that the OP, being young and inexperienced, has made some errors of judgement. We all have done this, and it is a measure of character of how you handle your mistakes. We OLD FARTS were brought up in an era where our Word and a Handshake meant something, and our Reputation was everything. It sometimes seems today that if you can pull off a shady deal, screw someone out of something, and make a big profit on it, then it is acceptable.
I would hope that the OP learns something from this. He will find out that if he shows an interest in something, and asks, (such as taking pictures or examining an object,) people will gladly show and help him.
BTW: As far as finding these milsurps and being jealous about the find, I have many more and varied specimens in my collection, in far better shape, and SMELLIE's collection puts many Museums to shame.
Secondly, I used to live in Fort Macleod, in southern Alberta, and did a lot of hunting Antelope in the OP's area. I still know a lot of Ranchers there, and the OP has given more than enough clues as to who it might be. In fact, I could probably narrow it down to six or eight people, and if it were not them, then they would certainly know who it was. A few phone calls, starting this NOBLE effort, would do the trick.
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First of all, Sonny, we are not mad because we didn't come across a stash of Milsurps. There are people who replied to this post, such as JOHN SUKEY, SMELLIE, and others who know where more stuff is than most people will ever see. And if we do not want it, but know of someone who collects in that field, we pass the information along. But in the Gun Shows and areas where we frequent, if you attempt to pull a shady deal or really try to screw someone, word gets around fast, and you will find yourself shut out very quickly.
The other thing we do is make deals. We can make a phone call, and based on our reputation in the Firearms and Collectors fraternities, our word is quite good enough to make that deal. In some cases, for Thousands of dollars, and it is honored by both parties.
In your attempt to ridicule with the analogy about the tea pot in the Garage Sale, if I did buy the Tea Pot that was priced at $1, I would pay the full $1 and not try to get it for 10 cents. In the Tea Pot case, the Seller has put a price on it that he has set himself, and if he gets $1 for it, then he is happy, and I have got a good deal. However, if I knew the Tea Pot was worth $10, (after researching it and getting some advice and prices,) and went back, criticised, haggled, derided and offered 50 cents for it, with the intentions of reselling it for a large profit, then that is a different matter.
There are also certain "red flags" that appear concerning genuine intentions. Here is one of them, from post number ONE. "Could You guys help me identify these? I'm not looking for specific stuff like where they are manufactured, just what they are and a general timeframe from when they were made.
From Post number TWENTY SEVEN, I wouldn't want to sell them. I want to expand my milsurp collection.
The reason that this "red flag" goes up is that any genuine collector WANTS TO LEARN AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY CAN ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC COLLECTION.
It would appear that the OP, being young and inexperienced, has made some errors of judgement. We all have done this, and it is a measure of character of how you handle your mistakes. We OLD FARTS were brought up in an era where our Word and a Handshake meant something, and our Reputation was everything. It sometimes seems today that if you can pull off a shady deal, screw someone out of something, and make a big profit on it, then it is acceptable.
I would hope that the OP learns something from this. He will find out that if he shows an interest in something, and asks, (such as taking pictures or examining an object,) people will gladly show and help him.
BTW: As far as finding these milsurps and being jealous about the find, I have many more and varied specimens in my collection, in far better shape, and SMELLIE's collection puts many Museums to shame.
Secondly, I used to live in Fort Macleod, in southern Alberta, and did a lot of hunting Antelope in the OP's area. I still know a lot of Ranchers there, and the OP has given more than enough clues as to who it might be. In fact, I could probably narrow it down to six or eight people, and if it were not them, then they would certainly know who it was. A few phone calls, starting this NOBLE effort, would do the trick.
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outoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
The reason I didn't ask for manufacturers and stuff is that I knew my pictures weren't of quality (hence 15 seconds) so I wasn't going to ask for a tonne of detail from my junk pictures. I was more or less avoiding the imminent comment that would have followed "you will need to take more detailed photos for us to tell you the specific year and manufacturer". Plus, finding out the history of your gun is half the fun
.And yes I have given more than enough clues to who would be the owner of these firearms, but for the sake of him (and me to an extent) I will not say his name. I don't want the guy to be getting phone calls from ontario inquiring about some firearms he has.
And yes I am very anal about my reputation (for the love of god please don't mis-quote that
), thats why I have spent so long trying to convince you guys that I am not trying to pull off anything shady (and yes in the beginning if I would have went ahead with my actions instead of consulting some here things could have gone worse then what they may be now). I'm not going to just disappear and ignore your posts, i'm going to fight to keep my hopefully rather good reputation intact. Last time I checked you can only have one CGN account so I better make it worth it.Sounds fun!
If you want to be a serious Collector (and kindly note that the capital is 100% intentional), then come back here with your queries, any time.
I'm certain that someone will help.
(But try not to call us "old farts"; that one REALLY gets the dander up!)
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If you want to be a serious Collector (and kindly note that the capital is 100% intentional), then come back here with your queries, any time.
I'm certain that someone will help.
(But try not to call us "old farts"; that one REALLY gets the dander up!)
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outoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
haha didn't mean it in that way. If you'd call me a young sh*t then I'd be Ok with it.
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- Tucson, Arizona
0utoftowner, Nice reply, please don't be discouraged by the flak. You made a reasonable request and you should not have been stepped on for that.
Funny, I once bought a badly BUTCHERED Ross just to get the firing pin for the one I already had. (the one I bought was only good for parts) and I passed most of the remainder on to other folks.
Funny, I once bought a badly BUTCHERED Ross just to get the firing pin for the one I already had. (the one I bought was only good for parts) and I passed most of the remainder on to other folks.
outoftowner
You've already received good advice here for anyone. Read it over again, think about it, decide on a course of action. Talk to the owner explain your situation. Make sure you know what he's really got before you make an offer. If you need to come back to CGN for more advice you know folks here will help. If you can only afford one pick the one that's right for you and make him an offer.
You might reap more than you sow by being up front and honest with the man. Who knows maybe he has more hidden away or he might even sell to you on a promise to pay if he trusts you. Word might get around - he might have friends with old guns.
Wish I found old guns in attics and barns - I'll I ever find is junk and cob webs.
You've already received good advice here for anyone. Read it over again, think about it, decide on a course of action. Talk to the owner explain your situation. Make sure you know what he's really got before you make an offer. If you need to come back to CGN for more advice you know folks here will help. If you can only afford one pick the one that's right for you and make him an offer.
You might reap more than you sow by being up front and honest with the man. Who knows maybe he has more hidden away or he might even sell to you on a promise to pay if he trusts you. Word might get around - he might have friends with old guns.
Wish I found old guns in attics and barns - I'll I ever find is junk and cob webs.
outoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
outoftowner
You've already received good advice here for anyone. Read it over again, think about it, decide on a course of action. Talk to the owner explain your situation. Make sure you know what he's really got before you make an offer. If you need to come back to CGN for more advice you know folks here will help. If you can only afford one pick the one that's right for you and make him an offer.
You might reap more than you sow by being up front and honest with the man. Who knows maybe he has more hidden away or he might even sell to you on a promise to pay if he trusts you. Word might get around - he might have friends with old guns.
Wish I found old guns in attics and barns - I'll I ever find is junk and cob webs.
Yup yup thats the plan. Going to give him a call later this week. Right now I am just in the process of getting his number.
FishDoc
CGN frequent flyer
WOW tell these old farts to jog on ... I'm 40 so hopefully that doesn't include me ... HAHA! Ask the bugger what he wants and haggle if you have to.
Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
Otokiak, we have at least 30 years to get to the "old fart" ranks! LOL! as for the OP ¨dont worry about the older farts... the younger old farts are still learning as well! Just keep at it... and as the older farts have said...live, learn, be fair and karma will reward your efforts!
Dr.Oz
well said Fishdoc, but don't forget to enlighten the OP on the negative. Karma is a MotherF#%ker if you go out of your way to take advantage of others. Just as Fish Doc said...Karma WILL reward your efforts....both positive AND negative.
Now go forth and buy some rifles for a price that you are both happy with....then shake the OLD FARTS hand and while looking him in the eye...thank him....after all they were his.
Now go forth and buy some rifles for a price that you are both happy with....then shake the OLD FARTS hand and while looking him in the eye...thank him....after all they were his.
outoftowner
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- Medicine Hat, AB
Well I guess it won't take interested parties long to figure out which John Deere dealerships near the Hat are run by "old farts" and act on said knowledge.
Karma can be quicker than we think!
Never said the dealer was near the hat. My father and I happened to be travelling through that town during this situation.
But with the clues I have given certain people should be able to figure it out
