Freaking rednecked old timers

[sillymike]

If nothing else, this thread has proved that there actually are a lot of grumpy old farts running gun clubs.

Well, you need these retired-type individuals.
- For the longest time we had that same older gentleman (not grumpy by any stretch of the imagination) running our bullseye match twice a week.
- Diopter would often go out of his way to pick him up/drop him off.
- The rare days when he wouldn't be there, we pretty much had to draw straws to find out who was going to call the line instead of be shooting...

Is the line ready?
cheers to Don! we all miss you...

 

[thegazelle]

No amount of sweat or hard work give ANYONE the right to be Racist. Period !

As a guy who is well acquainted for being the target of racism in the past, I can say that it is important to differentiate between actual racism and PERCEIVED racism. I would posit that the overwhelmingly vast majority of what is reported nowadays as racism is actually in the latter category, not the former. I have not experienced racism in over 30 years and I have been everywhere and I would know it when I see it.

So many people nowadays are way oversensitive and the PERCEPTION of racism has seriously clouded their faculties to be able to discern. Of course, the media is more than happy to throw the term racism as it sees fit and stigmatize people who are not racist. No one likes their character attacked and I will say this - accusing people of being racist when they are not, is a recipe for actually creating resentment and ironically is likely to CREATE actual racists.

 

[3macs1]

As a guy who is well acquainted for being the target of racism in the past, I can say that it is important to differentiate between actual racism and PERCEIVED racism. I would posit that the overwhelmingly vast majority of what is reported nowadays as racism is actually in the latter category, not the former. I have not experienced racism in over 30 years and I have been everywhere and I would know it when I see it.

So many people nowadays are way oversensitive and the PERCEPTION of racism has seriously clouded their faculties to be able to discern. Of course, the media is more than happy to throw the term racism as it sees fit and stigmatize people who are not racist. No one likes their character attacked and I will say this - accusing people of being racist when they are not, is a recipe for actually creating resentment and ironically is likely to CREATE actual racists.

Excellent post
Take care

 

[stripperclipper]

I just read the opening post again, but not the dozen last pages...
I have to say, if I was volunteering at a gunclub that had a handful of newbies to babysit every single week, I'd be grumpy too.
At my tiny club we have a handful of newbies a year, and we fall over ourselves to be helpful and welcoming. Nearly all the new people are white, and very few of them ever come back.

 

[turbo_bird]

Is about my experience - was like four of us showed up to pick rocks and drill fence post holess - and we did it - got the place "approved" and all that paper work as well - and then nothing but "#####ing" from subsequent "members". Kinda soured me about volunteering to get something done - small town Saskatchewan - 1970's - sound's like not much has changed out in the "big world"...

BUT - sort of taught me - if you need / want something to exist - get off butt and do it / build it - was nothing going to happen, if relying on someone else to do it ... Nothing is "free", whether you are from New Delhi, Taiwan or Kindersley.

Is perhaps bizarre, but I happen to respect the thoughts/ opinions from people who built it, versus people who later bought membership and think they are equal - with no equivalent contribution beyond the membership, that we all already had.

Same deal here too. I was only a toddler when the local range got built (early 1980's), so I'm a member only because I bought into the club later on. The amount of people that volunteer their time to work on the range is miniscule compared to the number of members, and I include myself in the group of people who don't often show up for work parties there too. I'm often one of the first ones to show up for a match though, and one of the last to leave after everything is taken down. It's incredible how many people will finish a match and immediately pack up to head home, leaving the few who do stay to take everything down in the dark. I get that some people have traveled a long way to matches though, and aren't necessarily members where they shoot, but a lot of locals do the same thing too.
Most would probably call me a redneck, and I identify as a grumpy old man, but that doesn't mean I'd support anyone being a racist. I still don't like to share the range with anyone else though, especially if I'm doing load developement or testing something.
Kristian

 

[Falconflyer]

No amount of sweat or hard work give ANYONE the right to be Racist. Period !

I'm not sure how you managed read that into what I said but I agree.

This is a perfect example of how people read a sentence and then add their own thoughts to it. Kind of like racism and perceived racism such what is being discussed in the last few posts. Some people think they know what others are thinking but in reality have no idea.

 

[bogusiii]

As a guy who is well acquainted for being the target of racism in the past, I can say that it is important to differentiate between actual racism and PERCEIVED racism. I would posit that the overwhelmingly vast majority of what is reported nowadays as racism is actually in the latter category, not the former. I have not experienced racism in over 30 years and I have been everywhere and I would know it when I see it.

So many people nowadays are way oversensitive and the PERCEPTION of racism has seriously clouded their faculties to be able to discern. Of course, the media is more than happy to throw the term racism as it sees fit and stigmatize people who are not racist. No one likes their character attacked and I will say this - accusing people of being racist when they are not, is a recipe for actually creating resentment and ironically is likely to CREATE actual racists.

Agreed. Some people (in my opinion) overthink this and take it to a whole new unhelpful level. See below for an example.

Elizabeth Hopper
Updated on July 03, 2019
A microaggression is a subtle behavior – verbal or non-verbal, conscious or unconscious – directed at a member of a marginalized group that has a derogatory, harmful effect. Chester Pierce, a psychiatrist at Harvard University, first introduced the term microaggression in the 1970s.

Key Takeaways: Microaggressions
• Microaggressions are everyday actions and behaviors that have harmful effects on marginalized groups.
• Unlike other forms of discrimination, the perpetrator of a microaggression may or may not be aware of the harmful effects of their behavior.
• Experiencing higher levels of microaggressions is linked to lower mental health.

Unlike some other forms of prejudice and discrimination, the perpetrator of a microaggression may not even be aware that their behavior is hurtful. While microaggressions are sometimes conscious and intentional, on many occasions microaggressions may reflect the perpetrator’s implicit biases about marginalized group members. Whether intentional or not, however, researchers have found that even these subtle acts can have effects on their recipients.
Categories of Microaggressions

Derald Wing Sue and his colleagues have organized microaggressions into three categories: microassaults, microinsults, and microinvalidations.
• Microassaults. Microassaults are the most overt microaggressions. With microassaults, the person committing the microaggression acted intentionally and knew their behavior might be hurtful. For example, using a derogatory term to refer to a person of color would be a microassault.
• Microinsults. Microinsults are more subtle than microassaults, but nevertheless have harmful effects on marginalized group members. For example, Sue and his colleagues write, a microinsult could involve a comment implying that a woman or person of color received their job due to affirmative action.
• Microinvalidations. Microinvalidations are comments and behaviors that deny the experiences of marginalized group members. One common microaggression involves insisting that prejudice is no longer a problem in society: Sue and his colleagues write that a microinvalidation could involve telling a person of color that they are being “oversensitive” to a racist comment that was made.

In addition to microaggressions perpetrated by a specific person, people can also experience environmental microaggressions. Environmental microaggressions occur when something in the physical or social context communicates a negative message to members of marginalized groups. For example, Sue writes, representations of people of color in film and media (or a lack of representation) can constitute a microaggression; for example, if a television show only includes white characters, this would be an environmental microaggression.

 

[thegazelle]

Agreed. Some people (in my opinion) overthink this and take it to a whole new unhelpful level. See below for an example.

Elizabeth Hopper
Updated on July 03, 2019
A microaggression is a subtle behavior – verbal or non-verbal, conscious or unconscious – directed at a member of a marginalized group that has a derogatory, harmful effect. Chester Pierce, a psychiatrist at Harvard University, first introduced the term microaggression in the 1970s.

Key Takeaways: Microaggressions
• Microaggressions are everyday actions and behaviors that have harmful effects on marginalized groups.
• Unlike other forms of discrimination, the perpetrator of a microaggression may or may not be aware of the harmful effects of their behavior.
• Experiencing higher levels of microaggressions is linked to lower mental health.

Unlike some other forms of prejudice and discrimination, the perpetrator of a microaggression may not even be aware that their behavior is hurtful. While microaggressions are sometimes conscious and intentional, on many occasions microaggressions may reflect the perpetrator’s implicit biases about marginalized group members. Whether intentional or not, however, researchers have found that even these subtle acts can have effects on their recipients.
Categories of Microaggressions

Derald Wing Sue and his colleagues have organized microaggressions into three categories: microassaults, microinsults, and microinvalidations.
• Microassaults. Microassaults are the most overt microaggressions. With microassaults, the person committing the microaggression acted intentionally and knew their behavior might be hurtful. For example, using a derogatory term to refer to a person of color would be a microassault.
• Microinsults. Microinsults are more subtle than microassaults, but nevertheless have harmful effects on marginalized group members. For example, Sue and his colleagues write, a microinsult could involve a comment implying that a woman or person of color received their job due to affirmative action.
• Microinvalidations. Microinvalidations are comments and behaviors that deny the experiences of marginalized group members. One common microaggression involves insisting that prejudice is no longer a problem in society: Sue and his colleagues write that a microinvalidation could involve telling a person of color that they are being “oversensitive” to a racist comment that was made.

In addition to microaggressions perpetrated by a specific person, people can also experience environmental microaggressions. Environmental microaggressions occur when something in the physical or social context communicates a negative message to members of marginalized groups. For example, Sue writes, representations of people of color in film and media (or a lack of representation) can constitute a microaggression; for example, if a television show only includes white characters, this would be an environmental microaggression.

This just gave me PTSD.

During my divorce my ex and her lawyer regularly bomboarded me with allegations of "micro-aggression". I successfully was able to defend against this and show how shallow these arguments are and how only the mentally weakest person who relishes in victimhood status and devoid of any personal responsibility would resort to using such tactics. But to your point, this is very prevalent nowadays.

I would dare say that this whole line of argument behind this made-up term is generally propagated by females and weak males. I have never once heard an average man accuse another average man of this drivel in real day-to-day life.

 

[bogusiii]

This just gave me PTSD.

During my divorce my ex and her lawyer regularly bomboarded me with allegations of "micro-aggression". I successfully was able to defend against this and show how shallow these arguments are and how only the mentally weakest person who relishes in victimhood status and devoid of any personal responsibility would resort to using such tactics. But to your point, this is very prevalent nowadays.

I would dare say that this whole line of argument behind this made-up term is generally propagated by females and weak males. I have never once heard an average man accuse another average man of this drivel in real day-to-day life.

You made me smile that you see this the same way I do.

 

[cath8r]

I have no idea what an "old wasp fudd" is but I will say this, when you build a club through sweat and hard work then you will be able to judge instead of displaying your ingnorace as you have just now!

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

 

[saskbooknut]

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

I guess that with your attitude you are going to have to start your own club, because there is no respect shown for those who built existing clubs, with their sweat and money.
One thing is certain, you won't change a club by complaining on CGN.
Clubs are run by those who show up.

 

[J.Hancock]

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

You got something against Saxon, Protestants boy?

 

[OkayShooter]

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

What does religion has to do with it?

 

[thegazelle]

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

You're making this sound like it's a bad thing.

This is the problem when the media and such start turning what has traditionally been something positive into into a stigma of sorts. For instance, traditionally the term redneck denoted outside labour work in the sun. Nothing wrong with that. Hard work should always be considered a good virtue, as it is. But even when I was younger I started seeing certain people thumb their nose at blue collar jobs and labour jobs as if somehow it makes you less a person. It's actually disgusting the amount of social discrimination some people who claim to champion equality, seem to display. We all saw that in how the media tarnished conservative voters and particularly in the 2016/2020 election, supporters of Trump. It's like if you disagree with the left, you are now labelled all sorts of things, and it doesn't matter if you are a White, Black, Asian, Hispanic conservative - the fact that you are not falling in line with the socialist terminology and playbook - well, you are now a (insert their favourite term of malignment here).

My parents, a couple of elderly Asians, live in what is considered a "WASPY" neighbourhood. They had many opportunities to move to the big city into the ethnic ghettos, but they have absolutely refused. They are happy where they are, and find they share a lot more values with their neighbours, who don't look anything like them, than with big city ethnic communities, for which they loathe.

 

[RRCo.]

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

"Your attitude in this whole thread..." refers to whose attitude?

And while you're pointing fingers, what's your ethnicity and religion?

 

[propliner]

Oldtimers and rednecks are tops in my book. Salt of the earth.

 

[Falconflyer]

I stand by what I said. Your attitude in this whole thread is proving my point. WASP white anglo saxon protestant, since your unaware...

Thanks for explaning wasp. I'm not familiar with that acronym since I don't think in terms of dividing other people by race or religion.... obviously you do!

You have no idea what my attitude is. At no point have I condoned racism and I've stated that. And at no point have I condoned grumpy old men chasing away young guys. Your just another one of these guys who reads your own thoughts into someone elses sentences.

 

[bogusiii]

Oldtimers and rednecks are tops in my book. Salt of the earth.

As someone who self identifies in both categories, thank you!!

And if you go one step further and call me a grumpy old guy, I'm good with that too. It just means I've been around long enough to see all the things that require a good grump.

 

[bogusiii]

It's like if you disagree with the left, you are now labelled all sorts of things, and it doesn't matter if you are a White, Black, Asian, Hispanic conservative - the fact that you are not falling in line with the socialist terminology and playbook - well, you are now a (insert their favourite term of malignment here).

Completely true. However if you are someone 'ethnic' and dare to think outside the stereotypical box they set for you, you are doubly 'wrong'. First for not thinking right, and second, for betraying your 'kind'. A socialist's mind is a contradictory, creepy place.

 

[OkayShooter]

Labeling is the root cause of racism, and discrimination.