Free Floating the Tavor barrel.

Sean,

A good question to ask is: How large was the original Tavor shipment to Canada? The one that sold, and that is actually in the hands of the users. 50 rifles? Maybe a 100?
Your potential market at the moment is a percentage of that (In fact percentage of the existing Tavor owners that are both on CGN and know about your products).

So then you ask yourself, is it worth it to make a run of these parts? Will your be able to sell the rail at the cost that will be both attractive to the Tavor owner, and would allow you to turn a profit?

Anyone without a Tavor on their hands would be unlikely to buy parts for it.

Sorry, just a doze of skepticism.

You'd probably have much better commercial success creating new handguards and optic rails for HK SL8s - the market for these is larger, the competition are KAC and B&T, whose products are not cheap (And in case of KAC are quite unobtainium), and for which a price is known, and H und K users are already used to paying massive premiums to dress their SL8s up to look like G36es.

Heck, can you make bayonet lugs for HK36? That's a hard to source part for an SL8 to G36 conversion. If those would be legal to export to US, you'd have the sales volume to make them commercially viable.

Want another commercially viable product? Springed firing pin for SKS, to replace the free floating one. I paid 80 USD + shipping to replace it in my SKS, and am thinking about doing the same in another. How many SKSes are out there in Canada? How many people are concerned about slamfires (or could become concerned with some skillful marketing?)? Heck, there is even a market in US, since BATFE ruled that replacing a firing pin in an SKS with a springed one is a safety related modification, and will not invalidate the C&R status of the firearm (thus no need for 922r compliance).
 
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Maybe we look to markets outside of Canada as well :D.

Fair enough.

How many Tavors are out there? Between India (Where gun ownership is rather controlled, and Tavors are for military use only), Columbia (Can Columbian civilians own Tavors, or was the contract for military use only?), Thailand army, Georgian army and IVI, I can't believe that many are in civilian hands, so you are talking about a military contract. If that's the case, let me be first to congratulate you.
 
Fair enough.

How many Tavors are out there? Between India (Where gun ownership is rather controlled, and Tavors are for military use only), Columbia (Can Columbian civilians own Tavors, or was the contract for military use only?), Thailand army, Georgian army and IVI, I can't believe that many are in civilian hands, so you are talking about a military contract. If that's the case, let me be first to congratulate you.

military contracts, its the only reason to make parts for the Tavor. We (NEA) are already in talks to supply Tavor accessories to several countries for their police and military units.
 
military contracts, its the only reason to make parts for the Tavor. We (NEA) are already in talks to supply Tavor accessories to several countries for their police and military units.

Charles, I see your post in the EE, where you indicate that you want to buy a Tavor at any reasonable price. Does that mean that you don't have a Tavor on hand to do R&D against? Yet you are already in talks to supply Tavor accessories to several countries for their police and military units?

Academic interest. I don't own a Tavor, and even though I'd like to, and have the cash, I don't think there are many chances of that happening at least for another couple of years.
 
Charles, I see your post in the EE, where you indicate that you want to buy a Tavor at any reasonable price. Does that mean that you don't have a Tavor on hand to do R&D against? Yet you are already in talks to supply Tavor accessories to several countries for their police and military units?

Academic interest. I don't own a Tavor, and even though I'd like to, and have the cash, I don't think there are many chances of that happening at least for another couple of years.


it may mean i need a second so that if the first becomes disfigured............, who knows......... you wouldnt believe what we did to an SL8, CZ 858 as well as an M-14 Troy Chassis over the past couple weeks.......... unspeakable things...............
 
I too would like to see photos of each part superimposed or photoshoped onto a tavor. I have absolutely no interest in a mall ninja sized flat top rail; the accessory rail on the factory tavor is all the rail I want, and is exactly where I want it. But I would love to see a free floating handguard that keeps a similar style rail. Basically thumbs up for the free floating system, but only one that stays close to the IWI design and does not add excess rail. I give 2 thumbs up to a shorter but cap.
 
Charles, I see your post in the EE, where you indicate that you want to buy a Tavor at any reasonable price. Does that mean that you don't have a Tavor on hand to do R&D against? Yet you are already in talks to supply Tavor accessories to several countries for their police and military units?

Academic interest. I don't own a Tavor, and even though I'd like to, and have the cash, I don't think there are many chances of that happening at least for another couple of years.
The fact of the matter is, the Tavor is a new firearm and is is not widely available to civilians right now. It will be widely available some day, and widely used by numerous countries. Not getting in on the ground floor would be stupid.

Maybe suppliers should ignore all firearms until every one has them and play a never ending game of catch up?
 
The fact of the matter is, the Tavor is a new firearm and is is not widely available to civilians right now. It will be widely available some day, and widely used by numerous countries. Not getting in on the ground floor would be stupid.

Maybe suppliers should ignore all firearms until every one has them and play a never ending game of catch up?

You are making a broad generalization.

Tavor is a new firearm, that may end up being widely available to civilians in Canada some day (although right now there is effort to make sure that it won't be the case). If that happens there will be a civilian market. There is hope that there will be wide adoption by the militaries of various countries. If Tavor ends up being a T-97 with a slightly wider adoption, or not, is anyone's guess at this point. On the other hand, at least two manufacturers are already making or planning to make accessories for Tavor. As a consumer I am all for that - "Let a thousand flowers bloom...". In case of a free-floating rail, will the demand be there, though? It will be amongst the civilian enthusiasts (given volumes of rifles in civilian hands). Will it be amongst the militaries for essentially a battle rifle?

That being said, I am not NEA, nor am I Rauch Tactical, and I won't presume that I know their business and their circumstances better then they do. I will be sad if they, or any other manufacturer would be spread out too thin by trying to cover all markets.

I would, however, be ecstatic if all manufacturers would have actually usable web sites, where one could select from the complete line of the products the manufacturer makes, add it to cart, and buy it (or in event of exclusive distribution deals, have a link to the web site of exclusive distributor). This, I know, is just a matter of renting the right people to set up and maintain.
 
This thread holds the all time record for going OT.

Yes. Back to the topic at hand, if you're able to superimpose the components or render them over an image of the Tavor (to-scale) I think that would give a good visual idea of how the final product would look. When I think of the Tavor I tend to think of more angles and contours (the moulded and angled handguard is not unlike the Magpul AFG now that I think of it) - so I'd be curious to see how this changes the ergonomic and aesthetic aspects of the Tavor.
 
I like the idea of a free floating kit, as long as it doesn't really alter the look of the current configuration. I'd also like (while you on the mill and lathe :D) a few other accessories... a matching sling attachment point to mount at the rear of the rifle - kinda like the one I made last year, but better ;). And perhaps a secondary rail to click into polymer mount behind the current BUiS, that would allow a magnifier to be installed, and block out some of the extra "gas in face" when firing...

Here's a couple photos of mine - I machined it out of Delrin (its a paintball goto material for me), and affixed it with a shoulder bolt through the body. Works perfectly, but I'd prefer aluminum hard coated, or matching polymer to the front mount...

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Oooops.... forgot something else....

Here's one more idea - I'm probably the only one who'd like it, but I'll throw it out there... Maybe an extended length flash hider, but it's extended backwards over the barrel of the rifle. The front portion would function as per usual, and the rear cuts would be cosmetic only... Visually it would make the barrel look a few inches shorter, so a pseudo restricted look in a non-restricted platform... That's all I got now, time to chase my son who's shooting our dog with a nerf gun....
 
Yes. Back to the topic at hand, if you're able to superimpose the components or render them over an image of the Tavor (to-scale) I think that would give a good visual idea of how the final product would look. When I think of the Tavor I tend to think of more angles and contours (the moulded and angled handguard is not unlike the Magpul AFG now that I think of it) - so I'd be curious to see how this changes the ergonomic and aesthetic aspects of the Tavor.

The big benefit is that you can get your support hand further out on the rifle. Although the factory setup is a similar shape to the AFG being so close to the body is doesn't work the same.
 
Here's a couple photos of mine - I machined it out of Delrin (its a paintball goto material for me), and affixed it with a shoulder bolt through the body. Works perfectly, but I'd prefer aluminum hard coated, or matching polymer to the front mount...
That's how I made mine, but machined from aluminum and anodized. Used a countersunk screw for cleaner look. Also made mine as a sling loop.

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