Friend Buying Guns For Me

Kroggit said:
I'm new to firearms and there's something I'm eyeing, but I'm not sure if it'll still be there by the time I get my PAL. I'm wondering if there's any issues legally if my friend buys the gun for me and, once I get my PAL, I buy it from him.

Thanks for any help!
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Unlike the American system that requires one to say whether a firearms purchase is for self or another, in Canada it is entirely appropriate for your friend to purchase the firearms you want and hold them until your PAL arrives.
 
I am kind of wary of such things amongst friends. I also don't think that most people posting here did quite understand your question.

If your friend buys the firearm, he has to do it under his name, you are obligated to hand over the money to him before he buys it. He has to treat the firearm as his own and follow the regulations. He must not let you give possession until you have a PAL and he verified your license. Sure, you can go to the range together and you can shoot it under his supervision.

IF the firearm should get banned before you get your PAL, you will legally never be able to take possession, money is gone.

Oh yes, Wendell above gets a clown badge from me. 🤡
 
Thanks eveyone for letting me know. I'll talk to whomever is doing my PAL testing about whatever paperwork I need to do for the transfer, but I'll get my friend to pull the trigger (hilarious) on getting the rifle.

Thanks again!
 
Wendell said:
Any transfer must be pre-approved by the Canadian Firearms Program, who will issue a reference number. The retailer is obligated to keep both reference number and all other transfer details for at least twenty years. Any transfer to your friend will be documented in this manner. When the time comes for your friend to transfer to you the firearm(s), any transfer must be pre-approved by the Canadian Firearms Program, who will issue a reference number. I would suggest that your friend should take great care to retain all of this documentation (for his own records), because someday he might require it (to help defend himself against a criminal charge of transfer without authority, or a criminal charge of weapons trafficking).
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The reference number is purely a snapshot at a moment in time whereby a PAL is verified to be valid. It in no way is explicitly tied to any particular purchase, if at all. I have had reference numbers run at a store and bought 3-4 firearms within a 90 period period with it. No telling what it was for, and I have had GP buyers give me their PAL info and then back out of the deal. No firearm was exchanged. Reference number done, no transaction consummated. Then there are the sellers on GP who insist on a reference number check to buy ammo. In one case it was too good of a deal to pass up so I obliged. No firearm was exchanged.

But that reference number is not going to do anything in the long term since there is no proof of an exact purchased item relationship. Besides, as your above quote stated, it is for retailers only. Private individuals are not required to keep records, and in fact, in the best interests of the privacy of other gun owners, I explicitly don't keep any records.

It is bad enough that the government is regulating us to death with all these requirements. We don't need to make their job easier by inventing up more crap to do that is not legally required (nor beneficial for the community)
 
scianna54 said:
I am kind of wary of such things amongst friends. I also don't think that most people posting here did quite understand your question.

If your friend buys the firearm, he has to do it under his name, you are obligated to hand over the money to him before he buys it. He has to treat the firearm as his own and follow the regulations. He must not let you give possession until you have a PAL and he verified your license. Sure, you can go to the range together and you can shoot it under his supervision.

IF the firearm should get banned before you get your PAL, you will legally never be able to take possession, money is gone.

Oh yes, Wendell above gets a clown badge from me. 🤡
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I see what you mean, but if my trust in my friend is what you're worried about, I'm pretty confident on that front.

Aside from that, if they ban the Lee Enfields we may have larger problems...
 
A classic! SO Much history you can fall into that 'collector' pit so far they'll have to pump air into you. There are ENDLESS accessories and upgrades. You'll have a great time.

Good luck!
 
Your friend is ok hanging onto it unless it makes the list before you buy it from him. Of course you are paying up front right.
 
Scotty454 said:
...How could what you're describing possibly be an issue? Your licensed friend buying a firearm is fine. Him selling a firearm to you when you have a license is fine. The only thing that would not be fine is if you're planning on doing what we're all thinking you're planning on doing, which is him buying the gun and giving it to you before you have a license. It should be very obvious that you can't do that if you're concerned with stuff like the law. You can't legally possess a firearm without a PAL.
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“… what we’re all thinking …”

Rubbish!

Don’t include us in “we’re all.”
 
Wendell said:
Any transfer must be pre-approved by the Canadian Firearms Program, who will issue a reference number. The retailer is obligated to keep both reference number and all other transfer details for at least twenty years. Any transfer to your friend will be documented in this manner. When the time comes for your friend to transfer to you the firearm(s), any transfer must be pre-approved by the Canadian Firearms Program, who will issue a reference number. I would suggest that your friend should take great care to retain all of this documentation (for his own records), because someday he might require it (to help defend himself against a criminal charge of transfer without authority, or a criminal charge of weapons trafficking).
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The level of misinformation you're spreading is truly impressive
 
Wendell said:
Any transfer must be pre-approved by the Canadian Firearms Program, who will issue a reference number. The retailer is obligated to keep both reference number and all other transfer details for at least twenty years. Any transfer to your friend will be documented in this manner. When the time comes for your friend to transfer to you the firearm(s), any transfer must be pre-approved by the Canadian Firearms Program, who will issue a reference number. I would suggest that your friend should take great care to retain all of this documentation (for his own records), because someday he might require it (to help defend himself against a criminal charge of transfer without authority, or a criminal charge of weapons trafficking).
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Please tell me you are being sarcastic.

If not...well, perhaps you can help me. I carefully print out and store a hard copy of all those emails from the horse cops telling me that my PAL has been verified by somebody from whom I'm buying a gun....and that the guy who is buying a gun from me has a valid one...and that I can proceed with the purchase of some magazines and/or replacement barrels or other parts. I though that my storage facility was secure, but I left the door of my basement documentation vault open while I ran upstairs for a whizz and my dog ate all my documentation! Every bit of it! Now I'm afraid I'm hooped. I allowed unauthorized canine access to sensitive information and was rewarded with this disaster. What should I do now?

I'm thinking of having my dog take the required courses to get him his own PAL, and then if asked later I would just say that he had it before he got into the vault...but what if they catch me in a fib like that? For that matter, the dog is unikely to live another 20 years; do I then have to surrender all my firearms for destruction?

Please advise; I don't want to take any chances.
 
Kroggit said:
Thanks eveyone for letting me know. I'll talk to whomever is doing my PAL testing about whatever paperwork I need to do for the transfer, but I'll get my friend to pull the trigger (hilarious) on getting the rifle.

Thanks again!
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There is no paperwork, a quick phone call or do it online.
 
CLW .45 said:
I’ve found that people who think the worst of others are generally doing what they accuse those others of doing.

Mind you, that is only based on 3/4 of a century of experience.
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That's a pretty ridiculous take. The fact that I can envision someone doing something has absolutely no bearing on my willingness to do that thing.

So you're saying that every police investigator investigating murder cases is also a murderer? Every person in charge of creating laws is also actively breaking those laws? What the hell man lol
 
Scotty454 said:
That's a pretty ridiculous take. The fact that I can envision someone doing something has absolutely no bearing on my willingness to do that thing.

So you're saying that every police investigator investigating murder cases is also a murderer? Every person in charge of creating laws is also actively breaking those laws? What the hell man lol
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Envisioning it one thing.

Giving voice to it, another thing entirely.
 
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