Frustration.... What Ever Happened To Iron Sights???

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, the best irons are those sold as aftermarket, with the exception of some of the better service rifle sights. When I say unfortunately, its because it means spending more money on your rifle, but most irons, even very good ones are usually less expensive than even a modest scope and mounts. When I say fortunately, its because a new rifle without irons is a clean slate that you can sight to suit your purposes, rather than attempting to use what the factory deems an affordable (for them) sighting arrangement, that might not be suitable for you at all.

Not all irons are created equally. There is a myriad of sight styles, and some types are better than others, and some are better than others within type. Its generally accepted that an aperture rear sight is both faster and more precise than an open sight, although personal preferences and experience may overshadow this somewhat. A full buckhorn rear sight as was fashionable on early Winchester lever guns was a miserable sighting devise, which tended to hide much of the target, but even it has its champions. A wide shallow express sight typical of double rifles while not as precise as the aperture, is precise enough for its purposes, and can be used quickly by those adept to its use, so the matter is not as simple as a ghost ring and post or its crap, even though that is my preference. Come to think of it, its kinda funny that the factory offers better rifle sights on a 590 Mossberg than is available for most rifles.

Eyesight acuity is more important when shooting with irons than with optics, because the front and rear sights are on a different sighting plains than the target, which is on another. A scope sight puts the reticle and target on the same sighting plain, so provided the instrument is correctly focused, both the reticle and target are in sharp focus. The shape of the eye changes with aging, and this change leads to differences in visual acuity over our lifetime. Interestingly, at this time in my life, my distance vision is better than previously, at an age when many complain about failing eyesight. That said, modern technology seems to be able to produce smaller print than was previously possible.
 
The eye sight thing is important. As you get older your eye's ability to focus on rear, front sight and target is badly diminished. The peep sight helps as you only look through the rear sight and concentrate on the front and the target. I am 50 plus now and as far as shooting at the range goes I need a scope to find out the accuracy of a rifle. Used to be able to shoot sub two inch groups with a peep sight, not anymore.
 
yeah, for me at least, this is totally an age thing. I shot over sights my whole life... .303, .308, 7.62, .270, .22...whatever.... - no issues at all - head-shots or right in the boiler-room time after time. Then, I hit my 60's......:(.....and couldn't hit anything else....:bangHead:

Now, everything i own has a scope on it....even my turkey barrel has fibre optics on it......:(

Still, the technology keeps ya in the game.....:)
 
I am in the market for a new/used hunting rifle, likely in 308 or 30-06, but a requirement is Iron sights and bolt action.

I am willing to spend up to about $700, but apparently the manufacturers don't want my money....

This is going to be a camp/quad gun, and I don't want a show piec, and would be happy with many of the entry level rifles out there, but none of these manufacturers make anything with Irons!

I'm either spending more than I want or. Buying something older than I would like.

Right now it's looking like my best option is a used Browning BLR but I am really hoping for a bolt gun.

Seems that my options are older Ruger, or Winchester rifles, but I hate buying sight unseen, and the local shops have nothing.

Since when did Irons become obsolete? I don't believe in putting all my eggs in one basket so to speak, but I guess the new generation is so dependant on technology a scope is their only option.

Just venting my frustrations, and fishing for ideas, or offers.... ;)

The one gun I know of that's new and has iron sights is the Merkel SR1, but it is semi-auto :(
 
Iron sights have become cheap, and far less ergonomic than the sights from the past...Many of the new rifles that do have sights have a high comb or raised cheek piece making it even more difficult to use the less than desirable sights...
 
Had this problem aswell. I bought a savage 111 30-06 scope package and could not keep the zero on it ( I know it is a cheap china scope ) but I have lost the confidence in a scope. I may buy a better $500 scope some day.
So I bought a Marlin 1895gs 45-70 with irons and love it, I've allways wanted a lever. I just added the skinner guide gun sights on it and now I am shooting 1.5 inches @ 150 yards with handloaded 350 gr hornady interlock flat point (#4503) I think any game animal in N.A should have to worry under 200 yards LOL. It's easy to reload hot and cheap, I shoot it all the time. I have forgotten about my 30-06 now. I think I am going to collect all the Marlins
 
I lament the loss of iron sights too, and prefer them to scopes for hunting. I've yet to shoot a single African species over anything but irons. I really enjoy the situational awareness when up close, and the smooth to carry rifle through bush, handling in the truck, etc. Lighter too, and the rifles look better sans scope to me.

At the very least, it's an important backup that can save a remote hunt if the scope's damaged.

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Nice photo Ardent.

It's hard not to notice that most premium rifles, particularly the big bore variants (375 H&H +), come complete with iron sights. I wonder why that is? :)

I like the versatility of irons, and I never have issues hitting the target with irons.
 
People don't HUNT no more, they SHOOT. If you can't get in close enough for irons then you should spend some time practice stalking IMHO. I can see scopes on bolt actions, but when I see a pump, semi or lever with a scope on it (Especially a old 94 bubba'd for a ridiculous scope mount ) All I can do isf:P: Those action rifles were built for the nitty gritty In-Your-Face hunting!
 
I have been trying to get trained back to iron sights after years of not shooting. Vision is a real problem.

I hunted for decades with a 444 and a Williams FP with the insert drilled out. It was years before the ghost ring thing. I never felt that I was at a disadvantage.

I know the OP bought a nice M70 but if I was going to limit myself with irons my choice would be a lever with a receiver sight. Nothing hand carries as nice as a narrow receiver iron sighted lever.
 
I dont see what the big deal is about using a scope to some people. The farthest thing I shot was a gopher at 114 yards with open sights. Would have been much easier with a scope. Some people like fords some like toyotas. Some like ketchup some like mustard. Who cars as long as they are out there having fun its all good.
 
Many irons that are supplied on rifles are cheap and poor. They seem like afterthoughts, which makes sense because most guys are not going to use them anyway. Scopes are simply better aiming systems than iron sights. They make shooting accurately easier, whether close or far. If I wanted iron sights on a rifle, I'd buy whatever rifle I wanted and have good quality irons installed. It's a much better solution that settling for whatever rifle you happen to stumble upon that is equipped with some factory installed sights.
 
I would think that fixed power, long focal point and low power would be the ideal arrangement. You have the precision and single focal plane of the scope not to mention wide FOV, yet at the flip of a couple of levers on the scope mount you are back to very good iron peeps.

You know!! I think I've just described the Ruger Scout
 
I dont see what the big deal is about using a scope to some people. The farthest thing I shot was a gopher at 114 yards with open sights. Would have been much easier with a scope.
Scopes can take a real beating on ATV's and trucks, some guys like the iron sights because they feel they can take a little more knocking around. I can't see theough iron sights anymore so a scope is a must. I just try to be a little more careful when I have my gun in the Argo with me.
 
Many irons that are supplied on rifles are cheap and poor. They seem like afterthoughts, which makes sense because most guys are not going to use them anyway. Scopes are simply better aiming systems than iron sights. They make shooting accurately easier, whether close or far. If I wanted iron sights on a rifle, I'd buy whatever rifle I wanted and have good quality irons installed. It's a much better solution that settling for whatever rifle you happen to stumble upon that is equipped with some factory installed sights.

I agree with you on every point.
 
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