FTF in M14

Simon

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Got 2 FTF in 40 round with my rifle today, the bolt fail to load a round in chamber.
Seems like its always the 3rd round that fail to load.

What could be the cause ?

Mags are norinco, rifle is stock expept a buffer and NM SS op rod guide.

I was shooting federal SP in 150 gr.
 
I have an AR magazine that does that... In that case, it is the follower spring that binds with the rivet... Maybe you could try to shave the rivet a bit on the inside of the mag body.
 
"...a buffer and NM SS op rod guide..." How well does it work with the stock parts? Has it done this before with the same ammo? All mags?
Feeding failures are usually dirty rifle, mag or ammo related. Give it a really good bath, change ammo and the mag.
 
sunray said:
"...a buffer and NM SS op rod guide..." How well does it work with the stock parts? Has it done this before with the same ammo? All mags?
Feeding failures are usually dirty rifle, mag or ammo related. Give it a really good bath, change ammo and the mag.


I'll do that, first of all this buffer is going to the trash can.Afther that im going by elimination. This issue is most probably caused by the mags coz the rifle is kept clean.

Sorry for the typo im just back from a poker gaame, lot of cognag invilved.
 
Buffers should not be installed in M-14 type rifles. Not enought time to get into the long winded and detailed explanation but they should not be used!!

Scott
 
m39a2 said:
Buffers should not be installed in M-14 type rifles. Not enought time to get into the long winded and detailed explanation but they should not be used!!

Scott

I could use a long winded explanation. Sorry Scott, but just you saying so, without explaination is pretty weak. They work fine in all mine. No problems, no misfires. I use a solid round op rod spring guide and USGI spring, with the buffer. Unless it's going to degrade performance, or cause premature wear (which it seems it's going to alleviate), why wouldn't you not use one? Five bucks, what's the hurt? Please post your proof. I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning.
 
OK, here is the long winded explanation.... by putting in a buffer you have made shorter the distance the op rod handle can move backwards. The M-14 as with the M1 Garand design relys on the op rod and the rear of the reciever as well as the compression of the op rod spring to "Take up the shock" of the impact of the bolt moving to the rear. By making that distance shorter you are relying on only the op rod to take that force, at the roller bearing area. It is not designed to take that kind of force and will give it up way before it is supposed to. Now think about this, your bolt is in fast forward backwards and breaks right at the roller bearing area, if you are right handed, it takes off your right ear on it's way back past the reciever, if your left handed, well I think you get the point. Putting in a buffer excelerates wear it does not make it less. It does seem to lesson the impact and therefore the force of the impact but it is really just making your gun break sooner than it should. As for eating scopes, take a look at what the U.S. army had on thier XM-21's during the Viet nam war, just a cheap comercial hunting scope slightly modified for service use, any cheap scope made today is better than some of the most expensive glass made 30 years ago!! Perhaps you should reconsider your choice in glass. I know of shooters who have great luck with the straight 10 power 3200 series from Bushnell. With a good mount, say an ARMS 18, not a cheap copy of a good mount you should have a scope last and not be eaten.
Just my 2 cents, hope this helps by way of explaining.

Scott
 
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m39a2 said:
OK, here is the long winded explanation.... by putting in a buffer you have made shorter the distance the op rod handle can move backwards. The M-14 as with the M1 Garand design relys on the op rod and the rear of the reciever as well as the compression of the op rod spring to "Take up the shock" of the impact of the bolt moving to the rear. By making that distance shorter you are relying on only the op rod to take that force, at the roller bearing area. It is not designed to take that kind of force and will give it up way before it is supposed to. Now think about this, your bolt is in fast forward backwards and breaks right at the roller bearing area, if you are right handed, it takes off your right ear on it's way back past the reciever, if your left handed, well I think you get the point. Putting in a buffer excelerates wear it does not make it less. It does seem to lesson the impact and therefore the force of the impact but it is really just making your gun break sooner than it should. As for eating scopes, take a look at what the U.S. army had on thier XM-21's during the Viet nam war, just a cheap comercial hunting scope slightly modified for service use, any cheap scope made today is better than some of the most expensive glass made 30 years ago!! Perhaps you should reconsider your choice in glass. I know of shooters who have great luck with the straight 10 power 3200 series from Bushnell. With a good mount, say an ARMS 18, not a cheap copy of a good mount you should have a scope last and not be eaten.
Just my 2 cents, hope this helps by way of explaining.

Scott

+1.

I have never used a "Shok Buff" in any of my M14 type rifles.Those that I have seen use them all had feeding issues at one time or another.

I also never had a problem with any of my M14s "eating" scopes.This is why I spend the coin and buy top Quality optics.

I have used a Bushnell 3200 10X on my M14s and that is the "cheapest" piece of glass I would buy.All my other M14 optics Have been Leupold MK4s or Aimpoint Comp M2s.

SKBY.
 
Thanks for the input, the buffer was ( he's gone ) about 1/4 inch thick. That gotta have an impact on the op rod course. We'll see next trip to the range.
 
The buffers are safe to use if they have been fitted to the rifle. The bolt must be allowed to contact the rear of the receiver but the op-rod does not have to contact the front. As long as the bolt impacts the rear and there is still play in the bolt roller/op-rod interface at full rear travel nothing will break.

The problem with them, is that people think it is just a simple drop in part that will work on all rifles. The differences in the various runs of M14S/M305's and production tolerances can cause failures if they are not installed/fitted properly. I have been installing them in M14S/M305 rifles since International first started bringing them into the country and have yet to see any problems with them when they have been fitted to the rifle. I even have a mold for making my own and my buffers have been in over 80 rifles including a target rifle that is about to finish off it's second barrel with no parts failures or FTF.

Fitted properly they work quite well.
 
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