FTF troubleshooting

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I know this is better suited for the gunsmithing forum, but this forum gets more views so figured I'd pick all y'all's brains

The gun: kimber 84L 270
the situation:
Last range outing I had 4 FTF, 2 with factory winchester rounds and 2 with reloaded rounds using CCI primers. If it had only happened with the reloads I would assume it was an issue with primers or primer seating, but since the occurance also happened with factory then I had to begin thinking it could be something with the gun. Also to note these 4 FTF came in less than 20 rds fired, so a pretty high percentage.

I took the bolt apart and inspected the spring and firing pin, did not dissasemble this at all, just took the shroud and firing pin out of the bolt body. There was no oil or grease residue that would indicate the firing pin was getting gummed up or inhibited to move freely

So I had a bit more load testing to do and decided I would get some winchester primers, as I had read that CCI primers tend to be very tough so if I was having an issue with a weak spring a different primer may solve the problem. Well today at the range was even worse. I had loaded 15 rds and had 5 factory loads. Of the 13 relaods that I tried to fire only 4 fired, that's 9 FTF. However all 5 factory loads fired which is curious

I load my primers with the lee auto prime. I have never had an issue in the past and the system is pretty fool proof. upon inspection of the primers you would not be able to distinguish between a reload or factory round based on the primer being seated too deep in. I even had a round that had the primer protruding a little bit and it was a FTF.

So what do you guys think? Is it more likely that I ended up with a terrible batch of winchester primers? Before I take the gun to a smith is there an easy way to check firing pin protrusion/length that it's striking and power?

I will be loading some blanks into another gun to see if the primers fail or fire regularily in it to eliminate if it's problems with the primers. But I won't be able to get to a farm area to fire those off for a little while
 
Oh forget to include this is a picture of what the typical FTF primer strikes look like. Is that a light primer strike? I know it's something to look for but not sure exactly how to gauge it
 

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that's what my initial thought was, it's just very hard to compare to an actual hard primer strike because the differences are so minute, and a fired primer has changed shape just enough that it's tough to compare.

What is the best way to clean the bolt? I know how to dissasemble it into 2 pieces, I have access to an ultrasonic cleaner I was thinking about putting the pieces in there to make sure everything gets degreased and clean. Any risk to ruining things with this approach?
 
You can try cleaning, but FTF are a known issue with the 84.... You can get a new spring off of Kimber... 20-25 bucks and install it and your issue will likely be solved....
 
Yes I have read up on how it is a common problem with 84's, and I think I definitely will get a spring. Just hoping that possibly a good cleaning in the meantime could get it functional again. Considering it was working great up to 6 months ago which was the last time I had it at the range

On the plus side I was getting so furious today because I thought I wouldn't be able to test any of the 3 loads that I had for it and had wasted a bunch of loading and a drive to the range. I had loaded 5 rds of each load. 59.0 grs 59.5 grs and 60.0 grs all H4831sc with 130 accubonds. I had already tested the 59 gr but figured I'd be safe to test again before going past the max of my manual. After ALL the 59 gr rds FTF I was about to call it a day, but decided to try the 59.5. I could onlt get 1 to fire so I couldn't see how the accuracy grouping was, but at least there was no pressure signs so I moved up to the 60.0 grs. The 60 grs was what I was hoping to work up to and what I was most interested to see how it grouped. To my amazement the first 60.0 gr round fired, and the next 2 as well. So I ended up getting a "3 shot group" with my last load. And the group was excellent so at least the range time wasn't a total bust. Since you all love pics I'll post the group below. Overall with the 3 shots the group is probably about 1.2" however the shot that is higher was my first one that I was shooting in anger and amazed that it actually shot, the next 2 were much more controlled when I realized I may actually get a group from this round. So I'm hoping in theory it should be about a 0.8-.9" load.
 
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