Full-auto, CO2 powered pellet pistol legal?

[Polyshot]

This one is truly full auto..... Tyrex in .177 which is the CO2 version of KEDR SM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJUR8pCHGM&NR=1

I'm sure it'll be banned like the Baikal's Makarovs because it said to have 80% parts interchangeability with the KEDR that shot 9x18mm PM's
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[PAINTBALL GUY 3]

That feakn awsome man. Cost's an arm and a leg to I bet.

 

[windage]

Right which is why I said jail time because he is talking about an FA, not a regular airgun shooting over 500. Also, no not any device that shoots over 500 fps; it must shoot over 500 fps and must shoot with over 5.7 joules of energy to be considered a firearm.

A quick online calculator shows that a 0.2g projectile at 500 fps is 2 joules, at 600fps, 3 joules. So most airsoft guns would be considered non firearms, it would take some serious upgrades to be able to do 5.7 joules on an airsoft. Also such guns wouldn't be allowed on any airsoft field in canada.

Isn't it 500 fps and/or 5.7 joules (approx 4 ft/lbs of energy)? I am confused. Why are .22cal air rifles and pistols under 500 fps not needed to be registered then? According to my calculations, a 22 cal air pistol shooting at 400 fps with a 14.6gr pellet will generate 5.18 ft/lbs of energy. Hmm, seems to me that alot of people are shooting air pistols and rifles without knowing they have to be registered.
So if I shoot a .22cal rimfire with 22 long CB's and I chrony them at under 500fps (which I have, mine does 490 fps), then my rifle is no longer considered a rifle and doesn't need to be registered?

 

[ki11ercane]

Isn't it 500 fps and/or 5.7 joules (approx 4 ft/lbs of energy)? I am confused. Why are .22cal air rifles and pistols under 500 fps not needed to be registered then? According to my calculations, a 22 cal air pistol shooting at 400 fps with a 14.6gr pellet will generate 5.18 ft/lbs of energy. Hmm, seems to me that alot of people are shooting air pistols and rifles without knowing they have to be registered.
So if I shoot a .22cal rimfire with 22 long CB's and I chrony them at under 500fps (which I have, mine does 490 fps), then my rifle is no longer considered a rifle and doesn't need to be registered?

Bill C68 specifically uses the word "and" rather than "or" when discussing this issue. So no, those people don't have to register their airguns. In the initial draft, it did say "or" which for example by it's writing made paintball guns required to be registered like a firearm. (a paintball gun shoots under 500fps but it's impact is a little over 10 joules) That got changed to make exclusions of paintball and airgun manufacturing classifications.

So in your example, since that airgun is under 500fps AND over 5 joules of energy, it doesn't require to be registered. If the language stayed as the original draft was written, your airgun example would require registration. (because it would fall under the criteria of being over 5 joules so one thing "or" the other, not one thing "and" the other) If your airgun example was "over" 500fps, then it is one thing "and" the other, (fps and joules) so it would require registration.

I wrote over 100 letters to the federal government including the deputy prime minister of that time indicating that a simple 2 letter word would end paintball in Canada forever requiring paintball markers to be registered. I still have the letter reply from the deputy prime minister indicating that was never their intention and it would be changed.

 

[Grizzlypeg]

Yes, the wording exempting airguns from registration has two outs or paths of exemption. If its either below 500 fps or below the joules of energy threshold, it is not required to be registered. It has to be both, to require registration.

 

[windage]

Cool, then I should be able to legally de-register my 22 cal rimfire rifle if I only use 22 long CB's (I promise). Maybe I'll have to get a new barrel stamped "22 long CB only". Or have a manufacturer create a rifle or pistol under those conditions.
Hmm, would that work for 22 cal pistols also?
A rifle or pistol shooting 22 long CB @ 29gr travelling 500 fps=16.1 ft/lbs of energy. Plenty for pest control.
So it doesn't matter on energy if the projectile is under 500 fps.
Food for thought.

 

[ki11ercane]

Cool, then I should be able to legally de-register my 22 cal rimfire rifle if I only use 22 long CB's (I promise). Maybe I'll have to get a new barrel stamped "22 long CB only". Or have a manufacturer create a rifle or pistol under those conditions.
Hmm, would that work for 22 cal pistols also?
A rifle or pistol shooting 22 long CB @ 29gr travelling 500 fps=16.1 ft/lbs of energy. Plenty for pest control.
So it doesn't matter on energy if the projectile is under 500 fps.
Food for thought.

Just as long as the energy produced to move the projectile is not contained in the cartridge along with the projectile (like a complete cartridge is: projectile, propellant, primer, case) then you're good to go.

I believe pinfire pistols (which don't require registration) fall into the category you're referring to.

Unfortunately the bureaucratic retards have thought of everything.

 

[windage]

Oh, ok. There is a catch. I figured so. I was just playing devils advocate.

 

[fat tony]

There was a bb submachinegun back in the day that used cans of freon instead of C02 or compressed air - it was a LARC 19 or something like that.

 

[cantom]

The Larc is specifically prohibited too by name in the law somewhere.

I think they were ultra-simple, just a bunch of bb's swirling around inside and then coming out the barrel. I've read a few forums in the US where they talked about them. They used to be sold for like $35.
I guess using freon as a propellant might not be the best thing for the ozone layer either...

I wish this guy would do less talking and more firing...

The gun appears to be pretty Craptastic...

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[Grantmac]

Cool, then I should be able to legally de-register my 22 cal rimfire rifle if I only use 22 long CB's (I promise). Maybe I'll have to get a new barrel stamped "22 long CB only". Or have a manufacturer create a rifle or pistol under those conditions.
Hmm, would that work for 22 cal pistols also?
A rifle or pistol shooting 22 long CB @ 29gr travelling 500 fps=16.1 ft/lbs of energy. Plenty for pest control.
So it doesn't matter on energy if the projectile is under 500 fps.
Food for thought.

What would be legal is a .32 or 9mm airpistol doing <500fps. That about 40 ft/lbs or thereabouts.
Probably have a shot string of 1 or 2 in PCP form. I'm thinking of a 13XX based pump shooting .32 cast bullets of around 60gr at 500fps personally. Keep your shots to <15m and take any small game you wish.

-Grant

 

[notec]

To the original poster. If you are in training to be an Airsmith, the first lesson before thinking of making the gun is to read up and know all the laws. You are responsible for any products you produce.
Or are you just planning on being an armchair airsmith like alot of people.........