Full-auto, CO2 powered pellet pistol legal?

PAINTBALL GUY 3 said:
Cool, I'll be waiting for that.:cool:


Now if the gun was semi-auto and shot over 500 FPS, would one have to register it as a Firearm?
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yes, it would have to be registered. My friend has a couple of air rifles that shoot near 1000 fps... both are registered as firearms and treated as such.

Delay on my photos as I can't seem to find my damn camera.
 
Ok, now I have another question. Does barrel langth matter?

If one got the thing to shoot over 500 FPS but the barrel was, let's say 8", would there be a legal issue?
 
PAINTBALL GUY 3 said:
800 FPS!!!! Dude, that doesn't sound to fun to be on the recieving end.:eek:
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promac said:
Yeah, that would sting a bit! I surprised it doesn't vaporize the pellet. LOL!
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Yeah it does sting but that is why in airsoft there is something called "Minimum Engagement Distance" which means, you don't shoot with that distance. Usually for airsoft guns shoot in the 400-500fps range the MED is 20 feet. For a "sniper rifle" shooting 800 fps the MED would be 60 feet (thus the guys running hot rifles usually have some SMG or Pistol as a sidearm for close).

If you come upon someone who is under the MED you are supposed to give the option of a "mercy" where they can take the kill without a shot being fired. BUT the target of that "mercy" has the option of trying to fight it out if they don't mind being fired upon within that distance.

There are of course fields like in Kelowna that do NOT have an MED and run very hot airsoft guns. There are also fields down on the coast of BC that have run close quarter games inside buildings with a MINIMUM fps of 400! :eek:
 
ki11ercane said:
Any device that fires a projectile over 500fps must be registered with the CFC. It's a firearm. Read their rules for the proper definition. If it fires fully auto, it's a prohibited device whether it fires bb's, paintballs, or bullets. Airsoft being the biggest violator has rigs that shoot over 500fps and shoot fully auto. Not only are true airsoft guns prohibited (not the ones in Cabella's or Walmart) but they also are considered firearms. It's a triple hit. As a majority of airsoft owners are not gun owners, they don't really care and always scoff at all the rules. (CBSA and CFC) If you're a gun owner and you own an airsoft gun that fits into this category, you put your legal gun ownership at risk. You're in possession of a prohibited device and you can lose your guns (aka your investment) just for owning a toy. I have this debate with airsoft gun owners all the time. They always try to somehow explain away the law that it's ok for them that their devices are not illegal and they have no worries. They want you to think their hobby is a "real as possible" yet don't want to take responsibility for the fact what they own is illegal. It's like a form of duality thinking.
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If it's all black, then an airsoft is a replica, and replicas are illegal at any fps.

But if some part of it is transparent, such as the receiver, and under 500fps, then I believe it is legal, even if it has full auto ability.

In early 2007, our Canadian supplier/importer lost a large Airsoft gun shipment to the CBSA (seized and destroyed because they were replicas). We were short a large sum of money to our supplier and were not able to re-claim the investment. Since then, 007 Airsoft has stopped dealing in fully colored Airsoft guns, which in most cases were considered replica firearms in Canada.

Instead, in 2008 we went to the proper authorities and started working with the Government working towards a legal way to keep the sport of Airsoft alive in Canada. The conclusion was to make Airsoft guns non-replica. That can be achieved when a part of the Airsoft gun is made of a transparent material. The part that needs to be transparent is the part that is restricted in the real firearm. In most cases it is the part where the manufacturer's markings , model identifications, and serial numbers are found.

By late 2008, 007 Airsoft has started working closely with a few large overseas Airsoft manufacturers. We pioneered and coordinated the first productions of 100% Canadian legal quality Airsoft guns. These Canadian legal high quality Airsoft guns are not to be confused with regular low end "Clearsoft" products found in sporting goods or general department stores for low prices. We produced these with quality in mind and they have been well accepted by the Airsoft community in Canada.

from: http://www.007airsoft.com/legality.htm
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rangebob said:
If it's all black, then an airsoft is a replica, and replicas are illegal at any fps.

But if some part of it is transparent, such as the receiver, and under 500fps, then I believe it is legal, even if it has full auto ability.
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Not true, under the firearms act a replica is something that is not capable of causing bodily harm when fired. Airsoft guns are capable of causing bodily harm, even low power ones will ruin your dental work and can damage your eyes. A grey area in the law that no one wants to make a verdict on.

The CBSA however like the RCMP have their own idea of what the law is.
 
nabiul said:
Not true, under the firearms act a replica is something that is not capable of causing bodily harm when fired. Airsoft guns are capable of causing bodily harm, even low power ones will ruin your dental work and can damage your eyes. A gray area in the law that no one wants to make a verdict on.

The CBSA however like the RCMP have their own idea of what the law is.
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That grey area is the only reason airsoft is still here in Canada! A member in Kelowna actually had a talk with the CFO of BC about airsoft and the CFO simply told the guy in Kelowna, just leave it as a grey issue otherwise we might have to make a decision on airsoft that you might not like. This was about 4 years ago. Now though the CFP now lists airsoft AS replicas although the RCMP officers just think of them as toys (until they are used in crimes or stupidly by kids).

Now if all the airsoft players in Canada got together and showed the damages they've received from airsoft guns maybe the law could be changed to get them out of the replica status (Ive personally had the bone under my eyebrow chipped and had to have the piece removed, bleeding "wounds, etc) but none of the airsoft players want to step up.

But EVEN with the CBSA listing airsoft as replicas, there are still many "companies" that can LEGALLY import full black "name brand" airsoft for resale to the public (unlike the few people who had a business supplying movie companies but were instead selling to the public and got arrested for it).

Now here's something to think about, it's technically possible to upgrade an airsoft gun to shoot 790fps which would make it a firearm (5.77 joules of energy). BUT the moment you do that you've just created a FULLY AUTOMATIC firearm (a prohibited firearm).
 
PAINTBALL GUY 3 said:
Were's the pic's man?:)
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pretty poor quality (apologies)

there's the setup!

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back 8or so years a go i had a full auto bb gun. let's say i got it taken away buy the cops. they told me this was a illlegal gun. (it was over 500fps) they told me...
(was playing in my back yard.)
 
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