full stock rifles pros & cons
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Sorry, BR and Gatehouse, but I like them.
I always admire a nice stainless synthetic but if I had to choose between a S/S or an FS I'd probably go the FS.
There really is something kinda menacing about the look whereas S/S rifles tend to look clinical and inorganic, not that there's anything wrong with that.
I love the look of Weatherby's Fibreguard series for instance.
But for a low recoiling rifle that isn't pushing the envelope on chamber pressure they're beautiful.
I'm not critical of your taste Gatehouse, but are you fond of standard wooden stocks if not the fullstocks, practicality aside?
I always admire a nice stainless synthetic but if I had to choose between a S/S or an FS I'd probably go the FS.
There really is something kinda menacing about the look whereas S/S rifles tend to look clinical and inorganic, not that there's anything wrong with that.
I love the look of Weatherby's Fibreguard series for instance.
But for a low recoiling rifle that isn't pushing the envelope on chamber pressure they're beautiful.
I'm not critical of your taste Gatehouse, but are you fond of standard wooden stocks if not the fullstocks, practicality aside?
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Gatehouse said:Besides- My point is that *I* find those rifles ugly, unnatractive, gross. They don't work for my purposes,and I woudl never have a rifle like that because I woudl want to hurl every time I touched it. Everyone else is free to disagree with me.
Fair enough.
kombi1976 said:
I like the look of *good* fancy, super duper grade wood stocks, they appeal to me the same way fine wooden furniture or fine wood flooring does. However, I dont' prefer the looks of fine wood to a quality synthetic stock, I think synthetics look good, look cool.
I iek nice wood on double shotguns, too.
But....You pay alot for this stuff, which is essentially a handle on your rifle, and then when you drop them on the ground or you side down a shale slope they get beat on, and you feel bad.
Fair call.Gatehouse said:I like the look of *good* fancy, super duper grade wood stocks, they appeal to me the same way fine wooden furniture or fine wood flooring does. However, I dont' prefer the looks of fine wood to a quality synthetic stock, I think synthetics look good, look cool.
I iek nice wood on double shotguns, too.
But....You pay alot for this stuff, which is essentially a handle on your rifle, and then when you drop them on the ground or you side down a shale slope they get beat on, and you feel bad.
I don't think I'd feel any better should I drop a rifle down a scree, synthetic or wood.
Gatehouse said:Biggest issue is that they are FUGLY!!
You must be mistaken, that is such an American view, 90% of European stalking rifles are either doubles, drillings or full stock. The CZ 550 I have is a full stock model and as for accuracy perhaps if I shot 20 rounds in 5 minutes it may cause a problem but even here with deer as thick as fleas on a hound I shoot maybe 3 a morning for 11 months or so per year! I do need a break occaissionally! I find that if doing load development a string of 5, bolt open between each shot whilst I mark or spot with the scope and a 2-3 minute break between groups works fine! Classic rifles that mean the steel takes less dings!
P.S. Please dont call them Manlichers, Mannlicher was a fine designer but stocks are stocks not actions which is what Mannlicher was famous for! Another Americanism which I always thought you did your best to avoid!
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TimC said:
Nope, I'm not mistaken. To my eye, full wood stocks are F*U*C*K*1*N*G U-G-L-Y.
And your point is?
Why the hell would a Canadian, living in British Columbia- like myself- who lives and hunts here, give a s**t what type of rifle is used for stalking in Europe?
That is such a Euro view.....
Not sure if it's thread Hi-jacking but for those who are interested in the full stock Mannlicher:
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One of these hunters was the famous elephant hunter Walter D.M. Bell also known as " Karamojo" Bell. The nickname came from the area he hunted ivory which was the Karamojo District of Africa. He was an advocate of the Model 1903 carbine. Bell states in his autobiography " I once owned a Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine of about 5 1/2 pounds that was simply lightning on elephant. I only once failed to kill an elephant with the 6.5 carbine and that was because of a faulty round." His favorite method of hunting elephant was to slip into the center of a herd, kill a bull, and then climb on top of the carcass and kill all the bulls surrounding him. This not only took nerves of steel, but a rifle that was not only accurate, but dependable.
http://www.discover-net.net/~kanotex/mannlicher/1903txt.htm
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Wow! I think shooting an elephant with a 6.5 is like shooting a grizz with a 22lr.
Marketing guys did an excellent job to convince us we now need a 325wsm to kill a 200 lbs deer.
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One of these hunters was the famous elephant hunter Walter D.M. Bell also known as " Karamojo" Bell. The nickname came from the area he hunted ivory which was the Karamojo District of Africa. He was an advocate of the Model 1903 carbine. Bell states in his autobiography " I once owned a Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine of about 5 1/2 pounds that was simply lightning on elephant. I only once failed to kill an elephant with the 6.5 carbine and that was because of a faulty round." His favorite method of hunting elephant was to slip into the center of a herd, kill a bull, and then climb on top of the carcass and kill all the bulls surrounding him. This not only took nerves of steel, but a rifle that was not only accurate, but dependable.
http://www.discover-net.net/~kanotex/mannlicher/1903txt.htm
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Wow! I think shooting an elephant with a 6.5 is like shooting a grizz with a 22lr.
Marketing guys did an excellent job to convince us we now need a 325wsm to kill a 200 lbs deer.
Gatehouse said:Nope, I'm not mistaken. To my eye, full wood stocks are F*U*C*K*1*N*G U-G-L-Y.
And your point is?
Why the hell would a Canadian, living in British Columbia- like myself- who lives and hunts here, give a s**t what type of rifle is used for stalking in Europe?
That is such a Euro view.....
Most UK rifles are of the american pattern, long slender barrels with little furniture but which lack enough mass to absorb recoil yet are cumbersome to swing especially in woodland. Ok views are that but what I said about Herr Von Mannlicher stands! Next you'll be putting syrup on bacon!
I found them to be so nice, I never brought myself to buy one.
I know I wouldn't have the heart to take 'em in the bush. Maybe if I had my own land and the hunt would be like harvesting (yes - european style).
Beautiful rifles.
Gatehouse, I like them. Guess we'd be both ugly in your eyes.
I know I wouldn't have the heart to take 'em in the bush. Maybe if I had my own land and the hunt would be like harvesting (yes - european style).
Beautiful rifles.
Gatehouse, I like them. Guess we'd be both ugly in your eyes.
Jimbo69 said:
You should be able to get a decent M1903 carbine in the $1000 range. A really nice one might be a bit more, maybe up to $1500 or so, although it would have to be minty to command that price, IMO. The cheapest I've seen an M1903 is $750, and I bought it, even though it had a cracked stock. The other thing is that some of them have been drilled and tapped *GAG* for side mounts. This also reduces their value.
You may be able to find an M1908 for a similar price too. Those ones came in 8x56 Mannlicher Schoenauer, and are just as nice as the M1903, but not quite as dainty.
