Further SVT-40 questions

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1) It's my understanding that some of these rifles come drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Are any of the ones for sale at Epps or TradeEx or Frontier set up like this, or is this simply for the higher priced "sniper" models?

2) What are your scoping options with the milsurp scope mounts? Will they accept modern scopes?

3) Is cleaning difficult or easy after shooting corrosive ammo?

4) I want a shooter, not a collector. I don't care if it doesn't have the original sling mounts or whatever, or if it was import marked, or anything. I want a gun that will shoot deer and moose and bear. Is there anywhere I should look for a gun like this, or should I just look at milsurps?
 
1) Many of them have rails machined onto the sides of the receiver, but only the true sniper models have the appropriate cross notch on the heel of the receiver.

2) Frontier sells a Canadian made scope mount. I haven't seen any reviews on this piece yet. B-Square used to make one, but I think its long out of production.

3) No. Just be prepared to do some detail stripping on the gas assembly.
 
4) I want a shooter, not a collector. I don't care if it doesn't have the original sling mounts or whatever, or if it was import marked, or anything. I want a gun that will shoot deer and moose and bear. Is there anywhere I should look for a gun like this, or should I just look at milsurps?

Hi CoachZed,

There are quite a few options for a cheap bush gun. Personnally, the simpler the gun the better when it comes to this. Milsurps are good options mostly because you won't have to worry if a little bit of dirt comes in contact with it. Drop a fancy brand new Pedersoli or Benelli rig in a pond, then the walk in wilderness can risk loosing some of its appeal. Drop my Lee Enfield deer gun in a mud puddle full of animal urine, I don't care, I'll wash it when I'm back at home...
 
Hi CoachZed,

There are quite a few options for a cheap bush gun. Personnally, the simpler the gun the better when it comes to this. Milsurps are good options mostly because you won't have to worry if a little bit of dirt comes in contact with it. Drop a fancy brand new Pedersoli or Benelli rig in a pond, then the walk in wilderness can risk loosing some of its appeal. Drop my Lee Enfield deer gun in a mud puddle full of animal urine, I don't care, I'll wash it when I'm back at home...

Hahaha, you sure have a way with words Lou!

The original SVT scope mount as found on the snipers will only accept a Tokarev style PU scope, no modern scope will fit.

If you have an SVT with the scope mount grooves on the sides (1941 and 1942 dates I believe) you could think about buying the new scope mount Frontier is selling and then mounting any scope you want on the standard rail on top.
 
i have a 1942 and yes it has the rails. I called Frontier and asked about that mount. Marlin said "The mount slides into the groves of the received and then tighens its clamp with 3 screws in the side. The only place it might scratch are in the groves. Overall length is 6" by 1.75".
 
i have a 1942 and yes it has the rails. I called Frontier and asked about that mount. Marlin said "The mount slides into the groves of the received and then tighens its clamp with 3 screws in the side. The only place it might scratch are in the groves. Overall length is 6" by 1.75".

I just mounted that on my SVT-40. It's tight, really tight, I had to gently tap it on with a towel covering the mount and a piece of wood on top of that so as not to score up the mount. Scared me doing it but now that it's on I really like it. I'll post pics once I find a scope I like. And any advice would still be welcome on that.
 
I just mounted that on my SVT-40. It's tight, really tight, I had to gently tap it on with a towel covering the mount and a piece of wood on top of that so as not to score up the mount. Scared me doing it but now that it's on I really like it. I'll post pics once I find a scope I like. And any advice would still be welcome on that.

Question- I believe that mount needs to come off to clean the gun and/or remove the bolt cover/carrier/bolt? It it's that tight it might not be the easiest process.

That's one thing I don't like about putting scopes on SVT 40's.

Some enterprising Americans I read about installed a base on a surplus bolt cover, which would need to come off as well when cleaning. One comment was that the bolt cover doesn't fit as tight as you'd desire which would impact accuracy I'd think.

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1) It's my understanding that some of these rifles come drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Are any of the ones for sale at Epps or TradeEx or Frontier set up like this, or is this simply for the higher priced "sniper" models?

2) What are your scoping options with the milsurp scope mounts? Will they accept modern scopes?

3) Is cleaning difficult or easy after shooting corrosive ammo?

4) I want a shooter, not a collector. I don't care if it doesn't have the original sling mounts or whatever, or if it was import marked, or anything. I want a gun that will shoot deer and moose and bear. Is there anywhere I should look for a gun like this, or should I just look at milsurps?

If I read correctly, what you're looking for is a milsurp caliber semi auto, correct?

Things to take note of are: fluting in the chamber which gives you maybe 2-5 reloads on brass at best.

Some reports of a weak wrist that split. I believe this was solved in later versions with the heavier stock.

"OK" accuracy. Personally I find mine fine, but it isn't a sub MOA shooter.

1) As previously stated, they all had tracks for scope mounting. The original also required a notch in the top of reciever which was only present on sniper models. Modifying yours to accept an old style scope base would be bubba'ing of course. That and the russians eventually gave up on the svt as a sniper because they just couldn't get the base to stay put and centered.

2) As rattus showed - the new scope base will do all you wish, but seems from his experience that it's also a PITA to remove, which with corrosive ammo, you'll be doing every range trip.

3) It's a little complicated, but you get used to it. Unless I really just wanted to go to town I'd shoot regular ammo though.... I dislike what corrosive ammo can do when it manages to stay on some unwashed or missed part of the gun.

4) You definitely could. It's a good sized cartridge. Your choice in SVT's is basically the globco abortions from the 70's that are more likely to kill you than your target ( That's of course a joke, but I've heard nothing but horror stories about them, so avoid them anyways), or a present day milsurp svt. There's of course the off chance that someone has one that's missing it's muzzle brake or something, but that's not common. Aftermarket stuff for them isn't that common either, and spare mags are pricey.

To be 100% honest, if you're looking for a good durable bush gun in a good caliber, I'd go with an m305 or m14 style gun..... It's got all the same to offer, except has cheaper and more available spare parts, additional parts, options, ammo, and is *about* the same price, especially if you were going to try to buy anything aftermarket for the SVT.

So to wrap up, the svt is great, but as a hunting gun the M305 may be a better choice, as if you run into problems with the svt, it's possible you're on your own.

Then again, you could post a pic of you, your svt, and a deceased massive bull moose and prove me wrong:D;)
 
Yeah, I want a semi-auto mil-surp that has a steady supply of cheap ammo. I do like the Norc M-14, but my Eastern European heritage leaves me with a hankering for something Soviet.

Reloading isn't really an issue. I want a gun I can shoot cheap surplus ammo in and use expensive loads for hunting. That's another strike against the M-14, I think.....while there's lots of good hunting loads, I'm not sure about the cheap ammo. I could look into that I suppose.

I'd buy an SKS except nobody thinks they are accurate or a decent deer rifle (although, I bet most of these people would tell me to go buy a Marlin 336 in 30-30 to start off - HAH!) and certainly not a preferred moose gun. I could always buy an M-44, but they just seem clunky and agricultural. I would buy an Enfield, but they are expensive to feed. Plus, I do want a semi-auto - just because. Remington and Savage have good prices on entry-level deer guns, but I want something with some history.

And, if it was good enough to kick Hitler's a$$, it's good enough for me.:ar15:
 
2) As rattus showed - the new scope base will do all you wish, but seems from his experience that it's also a PITA to remove, which with corrosive ammo, you'll be doing every range trip.

3) It's a little complicated, but you get used to it. Unless I really just wanted to go to town I'd shoot regular ammo though.... I dislike what corrosive ammo can do when it manages to stay on some unwashed or missed part of the gun.

Well, I just tried to strip the bolt and bolt carrier with the mount on, not even a scope, and yeah, not gonna work. The bolt cover doesn't come far enough forward to remove the return spring. It may be possible to remove the spring with a long probe, like a pencil, from the back of the receiver but it would be tough. So H Wally, know any cool oils or sprays that neutralize corrosive powder residue 'cause I think I'm gonna need something to spray in the bolt/bolt carrier after I shoot my surplus ammo :-(
 
Well, I just tried to strip the bolt and bolt carrier with the mount on, not even a scope, and yeah, not gonna work. The bolt cover doesn't come far enough forward to remove the return spring. It may be possible to remove the spring with a long probe, like a pencil, from the back of the receiver but it would be tough. So H Wally, know any cool oils or sprays that neutralize corrosive powder residue 'cause I think I'm gonna need something to spray in the bolt/bolt carrier after I shoot my surplus ammo :-(

Forget about that plan...you need to completely disassemble the bolt carrier, and the gas system and clean the whole rifle out...right away too, no delay. Otherwise you'll have junk...

There is a guy in the US btw who's making new gas piston assemblies out of stainless steel. I have his contact info if anyone wants it.
 
And, if it was good enough to kick Hitler's a$$, it's good enough for me.:ar15:

Unfortunately, it was good enough to be used by a regime that would out-do Hitler in the scale of its terror and mass murder. The worst part is that unlike Hitler, Stalin got away with it and its still OK for Northern Getaway to sell hammer and sickle T-shirts.
 
Unfortunately, it was good enough to be used by a regime that would out-do Hitler in the scale of its terror and mass murder. The worst part is that unlike Hitler, Stalin got away with it and its still OK for Northern Getaway to sell hammer and sickle T-shirts.

That's true too. I'm part Ukrainian and part Czech so I have no use for Stalin either. Trouble is, they never invented a gun that could kick his a$$. Except, maybe their own 91/30s in the Winter war!

ANYWAY

Looks like I'll have to settle for open sights if I buy a Tokarev. Maybe I'd be better off just sucking it up and getting the M38 or a Lee Enfield and trying to locate cheap surplus .303. I know Sportsmans Guide has it reasonably priced in the U.S., but that's unavailable to us. :(
 
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That's true too. I'm part Ukrainian and part Czech so I have no use for Stalin either. Trouble is, they never invented a gun that could kick his a$$. Except, maybe their own 91/30s in the Winter war!

ANYWAY

Looks like I'll have to settle for open sights if I buy a Tokarev. Maybe I'd be better off just sucking it up and getting the M38 or a Lee Enfield and trying to locate cheap surplus .303. I know Sportsmans Guide has it reasonably priced in the U.S., but that's unavailable to us. :(

There is no cheap .303...there's no cheap anything except 22lr and 7.62x39 isn't bad...get a Russian SKS...:nest:
 
There is no cheap .303...there's no cheap anything except 22lr and 7.62x39 isn't bad...get a Russian SKS...:nest:

WHERE? Everyone wants $300 for their Chinese SKS on the EE these days (when they show up......and last for more than five minutes). I'd hate to try to find and fund a Russian one!

I did put my Mauser 71/84 up for sale here locally, or trade, so we will see what that brings in.
 
WHERE? Everyone wants $300 for their Chinese SKS on the EE these days (when they show up......and last for more than five minutes). I'd hate to try to find and fund a Russian one!

I did put my Mauser 71/84 up for sale here locally, or trade, so we will see what that brings in.

I have a phone number for a shop in Brantford that has a pile of Russian(not Chinese) SKS's for $225.
 
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