G19X is HERE!!!!

Your hand should never touch anything forward of the breach. It's completely unnecessary, regardless of what you're doing. I'll die on that hill
 
You had me going there for a minute until your last paragraph. You clear have no idea hat you are talking about. In both cases I witnessed the shooters had to undertake surgery to remove the brass from their hands. In one case, the brass shards remain in his hand due to their proximity to nerves. I have no idea where you read the fire cracker nonsense but it is just that...nonsense. When this happens the cartridge is pined between ejector and the back of the barrel and the case comes apart with authority.

I have witnessed very experienced shooters cover the breach with their weak hand while unloading their guns or releasing their slides from slide lock. In your world all mishaps are due to lack of training which is of little comfort to those who are injured when all they really need was just one more training session. Easier just to avoid the issue in the first place.

You want to to move up in pond size.

Vogel uses the slide release because it is faster than the overhand method. You want to go faster use the slide stop release on the Glock - the Gen5 release is larger and a better design than previous versions.

Take Care
Bob
 
AB_blaster said:
it's not a release Bob, it's a slide lock. It must lock the slide to the rear before it can ever be considered a slide release. Look at the serrations, they're setup like roof shingles which means pressing down provides no additional traction. Pressing up goes against the "grain" and provides more(albeit pathetically more) traction. There's a reason the slide lock is so small, an intentional design feature to encourage shooters to NOT use it as a slide release.

I don't give two sh*ts what Vogel does, he's a competitive shooter looking to beat the clock. His method also relies entirely on the slide locking to the rear which depends on a properly working magazine and not riding the slide lock with your grip. Using the slide to charge the pistol is guaranteed 100% of the time. Grabbing he slide is a gross motor skill and it works on all semi auto handguns. It's also the same skill used for a type 1 or type 2 malfunction..

At the end of the day no match or gunfight was ever won by the 1/10 of second you saved on a reload. Only hits count, so focus on being a better shooter and stop worrying about the minutiae that make little to zero difference.


Precisely.



Rounds detonating outside the chamber are not as harmful as you let on. They're fire crackers and practically harmless. And yes, covering the E port is a training issue, just like putting your finger on the trigger is a training issue. Experienced shooters does not always equal smart or well trained. I've watched plenty of "experienced" shooters do really stupid sh*t and even more do things that are just not advantageous at all. I've never used the slide lock and I still seem to out shoot all the go fast race gunners at my 3 gun matches, weird....
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Cool dogma bro.
 
Canuck44 said:
You had me going there for a minute until your last paragraph. You clear have no idea hat you are talking about. In both cases I witnessed the shooters had to undertake surgery to remove the brass from their hands. In one case, the brass shards remain in his hand due to their proximity to nerves. I have no idea where you read the fire cracker nonsense but it is just that...nonsense. When this happens the cartridge is pined between ejector and the back of the barrel and the case comes apart with authority.
Having been around many rounds cook off in a camp fire(stupid youth ideas) I can tell you they're harmless. The potential for injury was also extensively tested by Major General Julian S Hatcher, of the US Army who has likely done more testing on exterior and interior ballistics than anyone in history, but hey you know more I'm sure Bob.
I have witnessed very experienced shooters cover the breach with their weak hand while unloading their guns or releasing their slides from slide lock. In your world all mishaps are due to lack of training which is of little comfort to those who are injured when all they really need was just one more training session. Easier just to avoid the issue in the first place.
And I'm saying experienced doesn't mean intelligent. Training is where you learn a technique, practice is where you perfect it and commit it to your subconscious. Doing it wrong for years is still doing it wrong. There is no reason to have your hand at or beyond the E port.
You want to to move up in pond size.

Vogel uses the slide release because it is faster than the overhand method. You want to go faster use the slide stop release on the Glock - the Gen5 release is larger and a better design than previous versions.
Don't care what a gamer does, I'm not worried about 1/10th of a second, I'm more concerned with simple reliable methods that require no special training or practice to master. Remember, he's a PAID PROFESSIONAL SHOOTER who practices every day many hours a day. The release on later generations of Glock pistols is entirely a marketing move. Large slide lock or not I don't use them and neither do a lot of other smart folks.
Take Care
Bob
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AB_blaster said:
it's not a release Bob, it's a slide lock. It must lock the slide to the rear before it can ever be considered a slide release. Look at the serrations, they're setup like roof shingles which means pressing down provides no additional traction. Pressing up goes against the "grain" and provides more(albeit pathetically more) traction. There's a reason the slide lock is so small, an intentional design feature to encourage shooters to NOT use it as a slide release.

I don't give two sh*ts what Vogel does, he's a competitive shooter looking to beat the clock. His method also relies entirely on the slide locking to the rear which depends on a properly working magazine and not riding the slide lock with your grip. Using the slide to charge the pistol is guaranteed 100% of the time. Grabbing he slide is a gross motor skill and it works on all semi auto handguns. It's also the same skill used for a type 1 or type 2 malfunction..

At the end of the day no match or gunfight was ever won by the 1/10 of second you saved on a reload. Only hits count, so focus on being a better shooter and stop worrying about the minutiae that make little to zero difference.


Precisely.



Rounds detonating outside the chamber are not as harmful as you let on. They're fire crackers and practically harmless. And yes, covering the E port is a training issue, just like putting your finger on the trigger is a training issue. Experienced shooters does not always equal smart or well trained. I've watched plenty of "experienced" shooters do really stupid sh*t and even more do things that are just not advantageous at all. I've never used the slide lock and I still seem to out shoot all the go fast race gunners at my 3 gun matches, weird....
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All this is info from the RCMP training manual. It's tailored towards people with the lowest possible level of skill and knowledge imaginable. They teach it this way to keep the operational techniques as simple as possible. That doesn't mean that it's the best way to do it. Any skilled shooter is going to be able to identify and clear any stoppages that they may experience. How they decide to release a slide forward won't change that.
 
BooSSted said:
All this is info from the RCMP training manual. It's tailored towards people with the lowest possible level of skill and knowledge imaginable. They teach it this way to keep the operational techniques as simple as possible. That doesn't mean that it's the best way to do it. Any skilled shooter is going to be able to identify and clear any stoppages that they may experience. How they decide to release a slide forward won't change that.
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Maybe it is, but it's also what is suggested by Glock and is why they designed the controls the way they did. I know several other schools teach the same methods and yes it's a more universal method. It works with both hands, men and women, and with all semi autos. I don't see the any negatives.
 
Got an email from Rampart today with my reference number. This being AB, I should have the transfer approval and email TRansfer Notification tomorrow. Watch and shoot....
 
AB_Blaster how far does a 9MM bullet go in 1/10th of a second? All you are doing is mouthing Glock's excuse for a small slide release that has grown larger with the Gen5 iteration of the gun. Despite your claims we, who use the slide release, manage to overcome your small vs large motor skill canard.

Take Care

Bob
 
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