G36 900 Rounds Full Auto Fire Until (non)Failure Test

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This is one of HK’s G36 Test videos showing Robert Hirt firing a standard production G36 Rifle. NOTE!!! This was not a MG36 with a much heavier barrel! You will see nine 100 round Beta C drums fired in 2 minutes and 42 seconds (@372 RPM) with no failures. The handguard becomes too hot to hold around 500 rounds. He has to shield his eyes from the heat at 700 rounds and around 775 rounds the handguard catches fire. The front of end of the rifle is in flames from the beginning of the 8th drum to the last round of the 9th drum. The gun fires all 900 rounds without a stoppage or parts failure even though the hand guard is in flames at the end. Even more impressive is once the rifle has cooled down, Robert Hirt is able to fire another 30 rounds out the same rifle!
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Basically, he fires through 9 x 100 round Beta C mags, until he has to throw the gun into the snow to put out the fire engulfing the furniture.

After that, he dumps a 30 round mag through it, even though most of the furniture is just fiddly bits of charred plastic.

Pretty impressive.
 
Ebola said:
Without watching the video I thought the issue was shot stringing and decreased accuracy when the gun gets hot?
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Correct. The barrel trunnion is molded into the plastic receiver. When the gun gets hot, the plastic softens and allows the barrel to sag relative to the line of sight. A video of multiple magazine dumps is not going to illustrate this problem.
 
tjhaile said:
Correct. The barrel trunnion is molded into the plastic receiver. When the gun gets hot, the plastic softens and allows the barrel to sag relative to the line of sight. A video of multiple magazine dumps is not going to illustrate this problem.
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This disinformation "propaganda" regarding the G36 has been thoroughly debunked by numerous interested parties, some documented on video such as The Firearms Blog (TFB), IraqVeteran8888, and others. It has been determined by many independent sources that the G36 "accuracy issue" is nothing more than a partisan fabrication used to make political hay in Germany and provide HK with another life-saving major production contrsct. The fact of the matter is that no one has yet been able to demonstrate the "saggjng trunnion" phenomenon in an independent, recorded test. The G36 family underwent typically Teutonic exhaustive pre-adoption testing, and has gone on to render over 20 years of exemplary service to Germany and the many other nations which have adopted it since the mid 1990's (eg. Spain).

Sorry, but you are unwittingly spreading disinformation regarding the G36. There is no issue with the trunnion or resultant accuracy during extended fire, period.
 
Bartok5,

Makes a very accurate statement. When does an AR15 FOW's gas tube melt and fail during continuous full-auto fire? The point of the matter is if you are posted to a Forward Operating Base and have cases and cases of ammo, and decide to fire it continuously on full-auto without reasonable limits then any combat rifle will have problems.

As for the reliability of the G36, 24000 rounds fired at the Yuma Proving ground. No lubing, no cleaning, no malfunctions and no parts breakage. No modern combat rifle in the world has been able to rival this performance.
In German testing at HK, they test all competitors products. Nothing has been able to surpass the reliability of the G36, not the AK or even the SG550.
Much of the controversy in Germany was started by their anti-war / conflict / military Defense Minister (sad but true), who was out to get HK and other German gun company's. Elements of the German Government were very, very up set that German made weapons had made their way into conflict zones with out their approval. The whole HK G36 problems / fabrication was just another way to try and pressure / punish HK.

A soldier carrying 300 to 400 rounds and firing them however he / she choses is not a problem in the G36 or any modern assault rifle.

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
Bartok5,

Makes a very accurate statement. When does an AR15 FOW's gas tube melt and fail during continuous full-auto fire? The point of the matter is if you are posted to a Forward Operating Base and have cases and cases of ammo, and decide to fire it continuously on full-auto without reasonable limits then any combat rifle will have problems.

As for the reliability of the G36, 24000 rounds fired at the Yuma Proving ground. No lubing, no cleaning, no malfunctions and no parts breakage. No modern combat rifle in the world has been able to rival this performance.
In German testing at HK, they test all competitors products. Nothing has been able to surpass the reliability of the G36, not the AK or even the SG550.
Much of the controversy in Germany was started by their anti-war / conflict / military Defense Minister (sad but true), who was out to get HK and other German gun company's. Elements of the German Government were very, very up set that German made weapons had made their way into conflict zones with out their approval. The whole HK G36 problems / fabrication was just another way to try and pressure / punish HK.

A soldier carrying 300 to 400 rounds and firing them however he / she choses is not a problem in the G36 or any modern assault rifle.

Rich
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I thought the hk433 has beaten the g36 in that reliability test recently. Or is that not true?(wouldn't surprise me since they share a lot of similarities)
 
To me the G36 issues have more to do with the gun fighter design then anything. Performance wise the gun is a huge winner. Just the body of it with its sight over bore is hardly ideal. I prefer the AR design. The top charging handle is less than ideal as well.

The amount of money Germany ���� has wasted over the last 5 years alone is crazy. So buying the 416 is no big deal. Small arms cost just get the media attention because it is the most common thing everyone in the armed forced carries and civilians can realate too.

As mentioned here by so many big tickets items like Jets, tanks, artillery,satellites etc etc are bigger concerns for a modern army if fighting in real battfield and not police actions.
 
Hypothetical, what’s better a
Swiss 553 or a G36c ? For reliability ? I know the Sig is a lot heavier... but seems more reliable... I played with both just wondering everyone’s opinions...
 
I own both. G36 is more reliable and will continue firing much longer without cleaning. Love the SG550 series but you cannot operate that gas system to 24k without cleaning. I also love the AR15 FOW's, but if you don't at least add lube you will never get even close to 24k.

I may stand corrected on the HK 433, maybe it is a rival of the G36 for reliability. The G36 is really the "Glock" of combat rifles.

Rich
 
tjhaile said:
Correct. The barrel trunnion is molded into the plastic receiver. When the gun gets hot, the plastic softens and allows the barrel to sag relative to the line of sight. A video of multiple magazine dumps is not going to illustrate this problem.
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Lol, this misinformation seems to come up all the time. Somehow the people spouting it have forgotten about the Yuma Arizona test where over 24,000 rounds were put through a G36 in a weekend and there was no failure of any kind (that includes no adverse effect on accuracy)
 
Well when Americans hit the open range and burn beta C mags through their converted SL8's to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of rounds, in unrealistic fashion, on full auto, without allowing the gun to cool, then there are problems. Often these problems will melt and fail the DI gas tubes on AR15's long before there are problems with the G36 / SL8 but suddenly.....the HK G36 is a hugely flawed design!

The funny part of the whole story is that the anti-gun German Defence minister going after the German Gun Companies, such as HK, is going to result in an unintended consequence of HK probably landing a huge new contract with the German Armed Forces. Ironic justice for the lefties of the German Government!

Rich
 
Or it is a bundeswehr insider job so they can ditch G36 and get HK416 LOL

Rich LPS said:
Well when Americans hit the open range and burn beta C mags through their converted SL8's to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of rounds, in unrealistic fashion, on full auto, without allowing the gun to cool, then there are problems. Often these problems will melt and fail the DI gas tubes on AR15's long before there are problems with the G36 / SL8 but suddenly.....the HK G36 is a hugely flawed design!

The funny part of the whole story is that the anti-gun German Defence minister going after the German Gun Companies, such as HK, is going to result in an unintended consequence of HK probably landing a huge new contract with the German Armed Forces. Ironic justice for the lefties of the German Government!

Rich
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You mean HK433!!! now!! You might be right on the Bundeswehr insider job. Every German Soldier I've ever spoken to, including 2 KSK members, love the G36 and report not problems. One guy said in 12 years of service he never experienced a malfunction.

I do agree with others, high height over bore is an issue.....one needs to use a very low profile sight, like Amimpoint micro with a low rail, like the old KAC ones, then you have a good system.

Rich
 
Agreed that the G36 Height Over Bore (HOB) with the HK/Hensoldt Carry Handle Optics is excessive. Even with a low-profile B&T Rail, my G36K clone has an HOB of 10.5 cm versus the Bushmaster ACR at 8.0 cm and the C8 Flat Top Heavy Barrel at 6.5 cm. So, even with the lowest available continuous rail, the G36 HOB is 4 cm/1.6" (or 1/3) taller than the flat-top AR. Not much more can be done to lower the G36 HOB without relocating or redesigning the ambidextrous Charging Handle to be one-sided (but reversible).

That said, is the G36 HOB really that big an issue?!? If the cheek--weld is comfortable using a Riser, what is the problem?
 
High HOB is a bit more mind twisting for close up precision shots, and over barricades. Kinda like X95 and TAVOR.

Most big army shooters probably couldn't care less, but I would think that for some people it is more of a deal. On the other hand, a lot of Europeans still wear full face shields so this matter was not on their radar or at least something they didn't mind trading off for many year.s
 
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