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OK, so I tracked down a Breda Garand receiver with the welded on scope mounts. It's nice with a great finish. I'm going to do a build and hopefully track down a scope and the mounts for them.

I'm going to be looking for era parts. Hopefully I can track down all Breda parts VAR Barrel etc, but we'll see.

Does anyone know a source of the scope, scope mounts and parts. Heck, I can't even find anything on a Google search.

Here's the Beginning:

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The welded on brackets are for an infra red night vision sight mount. There is a rail type base that bolts onto the 2 brackets. The IR sight then mounts on the rail. The eye relief for a normal scope wouldn't be right using these brackets. I have never seen the proper IR sight for sale.

I have one of these c/w the bracket. I had debated sawing/grinding/milling off the brackets, but decided to leave it as is (just might locate the IR sight some day). If the brackets were removed it is doubtful that the weld material and the receiver itself would take the same color of re-parkerizing as the receiver due to different metal in the weld and some degree of spot annealing as a result of the welding heat.
 
purple said:
The welded on brackets are for an infra red night vision sight mount. There is a rail type base that bolts onto the 2 brackets. The IR sight then mounts on the rail. The eye relief for a normal scope wouldn't be right using these brackets. I have never seen the proper IR sight for sale.

I have one of these c/w the bracket. I had debated sawing/grinding/milling off the brackets, but decided to leave it as is (just might locate the IR sight some day). If the brackets were removed it is doubtful that the weld material and the receiver itself would take the same color of re-parkerizing as the receiver due to different metal in the weld and some degree of spot annealing as a result of the welding heat.
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Yeah I meant Infrared scope. I've searched for hours for just a picture of a garand with one of these ir scopes and can't find one at all. I haven't even seen what the rest of the mount looks like. But here's to hoping.
 
I would love to try and cut the welds off and anneal and heat treat.If it was annealed it may not show much in the way of difference after parkerizing.
 
Whoa! Whoa! The Danes had something in mind when they welded those brackets on. I have never seen a right side view of one of those receivers. You have a rare cat!

If you desperately need to cut something, go clamp a length of rebar in your B&D Workmate and grind away. But leave that receiver alone.

The alternatives for scoping a Garand are limited. The ping is easy for soldiers, but hell on sharpshooters. The USGI solutions were drill and tap for a Griffin and Howe side mount, or attach the scope on a block out on the barrel. A modern company (Ultimac?) will sell you a new top handguard that is a length of Picatinny rail that clamps on the barrel itself. The Danes have given you a superbly crafted fourth option. Make a base that fits those dovetails and get shooting!
 
Take it to a machine shop and let them take the bracket off with a milling machine. They could get most of it off and leave the rest.
 
Depends what you mean by "early" IR scopes.

You just might be surprised at some of the stuff that crawls out of the woodwork from time to time.

Early NIGHT SIGHTS were radioactive and some of them got sold. IR scopes, as a rule, detected only in the IR; any radiation was in the generator and would have been residual. MOST were scrapped for the same reason that Governments scrap this kind of thing: US. Governments, as a rule, FEAR and DISTRUST their peons; this is why the Government is ALWAYS better-armed than we are. They have ALL lost sight of one important principle: people NEVER revolt against an honest Government which is doing a good job. So they destroy interesting things such as these. But one or two or maybe half a dozen always seem to be missed, and that is what makes this hobby so very interesting.

You have to be like a Cat: know what you are looking for, keep an eye open for it..... and POUNCE when it shows its head.

"Patience is a virtue,
Possess it if you can;
Never in a woman,
Seldom in a man."

Rome was not built in a day. "The mills of the gods grind slow," the Romans used to say.

Even GOD took 7 days to create the world. Why should things go faster for you?

Patience: much more than just a card game. In THIS hobby, a bit of it can go a very long way.

Ask anyone who has been at it more than 20 years and they WILL confirm.
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some sage advice from a milsurp guru.
it's like gunshows,never go there looking for specific things,you'll get "your pants pulled down".
i go to shows and just look.i almost always find some "diamonds in the rough".




smellie said:
Depends what you mean by "early" IR scopes.

You just might be surprised at some of the stuff that crawls out of the woodwork from time to time.

Early NIGHT SIGHTS were radioactive and some of them got sold. IR scopes, as a rule, detected only in the IR; any radiation was in the generator and would have been residual. MOST were scrapped for the same reason that Governments scrap this kind of thing: US. Governments, as a rule, FEAR and DISTRUST their peons; this is why the Government is ALWAYS better-armed than we are. They have ALL lost sight of one important principle: people NEVER revolt against an honest Government which is doing a good job. So they destroy interesting things such as these. But one or two or maybe half a dozen always seem to be missed, and that is what makes this hobby so very interesting.

You have to be like a Cat: know what you are looking for, keep an eye open for it..... and POUNCE when it shows its head.

"Patience is a virtue,
Possess it if you can;
Never in a woman,
Seldom in a man."

Rome was not built in a day. "The mills of the gods grind slow," the Romans used to say.

Even GOD took 7 days to create the world. Why should things go faster for you?

Patience: much more than just a card game. In THIS hobby, a bit of it can go a very long way.

Ask anyone who has been at it more than 20 years and they WILL confirm.
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FWIW, if originality isn't a big concern, you could get a chunk of "gunsmithing" Nightforce rail from TSE and machine it to fit your dovetails, then you'd have an M1913 rail on your M1 with all sorts of scope options.

Anyone with a mill and dovetail cutter can do this job - super easy. If I weren't; a lefty, I would get one and do this myself - maybe in 7.62x51.

I've also always wanted to try a Garand build in .243 Winchester........ or better yet, on a 1903A3 action!
 
Claven2 said:
FWIW, if originality isn't a big concern, you could get a chunk of "gunsmithing" Nightforce rail from TSE and machine it to fit your dovetails, then you'd have an M1913 rail on your M1 with all sorts of scope options.

Anyone with a mill and dovetail cutter can do this job - super easy. If I weren't; a lefty, I would get one and do this myself - maybe in 7.62x51.

I've also always wanted to try a Garand build in .243 Winchester........ or better yet, on a 1903A3 action!
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Garands are in such short supply here we should do everything possible to save every single garand receiver. You are treading with bubba
 
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