I have to agree.
He should be careful he doesn't stroke the finish off of his precious perfect garand's
Every single Garand thread ends with him spouting about his "superior knowledge and product".
Sick of it.
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I have to agree.
He should be careful he doesn't stroke the finish off of his precious perfect garand's
Every single Garand thread ends with him spouting about his "superior knowledge and product".
Sick of it.
Most of the grands that came to Canada were turned into parts kits. M1D snipers were on the market for a few weeks and then
they were all sold as parts kits to America by Disticorp . There was a small lot of extra scopes and flash hiders sold by them also
they were all sold as parts kits to America by Disticorp . There was a small lot of extra scopes and flash hiders sold by them also
I'm glad you're sick of me. You're angry because you're jealous. Anyway, I shoot my rifles regularly and I also let others shoot them. I even lent a rifle to a young shooter that I met at our local range. He was polite, enthusiastic and respectful. In short he was the polar opposite of you.
These threads can always be improved with more factual knowledge and less ego content. I'd suggest the following references to learn more about both technical and historical/collectable aspects of the M1 Garand.
For technical aspects all of the following are useful;
1. The US .30 Cal Service Rifles by Kuhnhausen. This covers both the M1 Garand and M14 and is the single best tech reference on these rifles. It's been my guiding light on building/repairing Garands for many years now.
2. US Army TM9-1275 Ordnance Maintenance US Rifles Cal .30 M1, M1C and M1D. I've been using this one since the 1970s and it's still good.
3. The M1 Garand Complete Assembly Guide by Kulek. This is useful, but needs to be challenged on some points.
4. Hatcher's book of the Garand. Has both historical and technical content.
5. The M1 Garand Owners Guide by Scott Duff. Very useful for the Garand owner/shooter.
For historical/collectable info check the following;
1. The M1 Garand: WW2 by Scott Duff
2. The M1 Garand Post-WW2 by Scott Duff (somewhat outdated and in need of a revision, but still useful)
4. The M1 Garand Rifle by Bruce Canfield. This is a massive and impressive book which came out in late 2013.
There is also a book on the IHC Garands from a well qualified source in the works.
I've seen all of these, incl reprints of TM9-1275, for sale on Ebay. Brownells also sells several of these. The Internet is choc-a-bloc with info and opinion about the Garand, some good, some horse puckey. It's still tough to beat hard copy books from authoritative sources.
For technical aspects all of the following are useful;
1. The US .30 Cal Service Rifles by Kuhnhausen. This covers both the M1 Garand and M14 and is the single best tech reference on these rifles. It's been my guiding light on building/repairing Garands for many years now.
2. US Army TM9-1275 Ordnance Maintenance US Rifles Cal .30 M1, M1C and M1D. I've been using this one since the 1970s and it's still good.
3. The M1 Garand Complete Assembly Guide by Kulek. This is useful, but needs to be challenged on some points.
4. Hatcher's book of the Garand. Has both historical and technical content.
5. The M1 Garand Owners Guide by Scott Duff. Very useful for the Garand owner/shooter.
For historical/collectable info check the following;
1. The M1 Garand: WW2 by Scott Duff
2. The M1 Garand Post-WW2 by Scott Duff (somewhat outdated and in need of a revision, but still useful)
4. The M1 Garand Rifle by Bruce Canfield. This is a massive and impressive book which came out in late 2013.
There is also a book on the IHC Garands from a well qualified source in the works.
I've seen all of these, incl reprints of TM9-1275, for sale on Ebay. Brownells also sells several of these. The Internet is choc-a-bloc with info and opinion about the Garand, some good, some horse puckey. It's still tough to beat hard copy books from authoritative sources.
A Garand from the CMP cannot go to a non-U.S. citizen.
Original matching to date parts does not mean much. Nearly all such rifles were made that way by somebody with too much time and money. And it's still a rebuilt rifle and is not a collector's piece.
M1 Rifles do not command the same kind of money here that they do Stateside. What you think is affordable, cheap or expensive is up to you and your budget. You will never get back on a home build.
Have an old Sarco add at home. Wasn't $800 for a M1D's or C's. Ran about $250 roughly 15 years ago, in Canada. Might be longer, but not by much. No Lend/Lease returns Stateside since 1968. Good for us, but not for our Southern Cousins.
Original matching to date parts does not mean much. Nearly all such rifles were made that way by somebody with too much time and money. And it's still a rebuilt rifle and is not a collector's piece.
M1 Rifles do not command the same kind of money here that they do Stateside. What you think is affordable, cheap or expensive is up to you and your budget. You will never get back on a home build.
Have an old Sarco add at home. Wasn't $800 for a M1D's or C's. Ran about $250 roughly 15 years ago, in Canada. Might be longer, but not by much. No Lend/Lease returns Stateside since 1968. Good for us, but not for our Southern Cousins.
There's no shortage of idiots who spout off on the internet. We bought all of those books and again that's another expense. Brownells is in business to sell books and tools. They do not give them away. Expect to pay at least $100 for some basic books and manuals.
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thank you for providing this comprehensive list.
as an aside,
http://stevespages.com/pdf/m1_garand-tm9-1275.pdf
is an online version of TM9-1275
...free of charge!
Funny piece of fact we are paying $49.00 for Italian receivers; our US brothers are paying $500. Even at $500 when the odd one comes up it lasts about 30 mins, and there is a list of guys behind the first guy in case he backs out; this is fact.
Come to think of it, you should know quite well as you were trying to do this many moons ago weren't you?
That Garand you had built for you was definitely nice! Take more pictures, dammit
If we can in fact not have CMP Garand's exported here it is a real shame. A friend down south just received an absolutely beautiful SA from the CMP and he couldn't be happier. What I imagine he paid makes our prices look criminal, but it's all a guess and I shall not get into that
ill take some tomorrow and upload em
Ar180shooter
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You have them for sale for $500 right now I hope. Otherwise, you're blowing hot air.
Also, $700 - $470 = $230. Tools wear out and need to be replaced as well.
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Ar180shooter
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I don't see you offering Garand assembly services. All I see you doing is whining about what other people are charging for their services. If you don't like the price, don't buy. That's the glory of the free market.
live4therut
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Sick of you? Perhaps I spoke a little strongly. I'm just sick of the way you post.
Angry? Not in the least. I don't let these things raid my blood pressure.
jealous.... Perhaps a little! Haha i loves me a Garand!
You know nothing of me or my respect. My grandfather always said respect is earned not given.
Through what I've seen you post you don't respect anyone. Why should anyone respect you?
student of history
CGN Regular
In my experience, it seems as though the price of M1 Rifles has begun to level off a little bit in recent months. There was a time (not too long ago) where people were actually getting $2000 for rebuilt shooters in the EE but buyers seem to have smartened up a bit.
Generally speaking, nice shooter grade examples seem to sell anywhere from $1000 to $1500. For a rifle to be worth more than this, it has to be something exceptional... Unless of course it was built in the garage of the great Squinty. Such rifles are worth considerably more as his superior knowledge and intellect gives him the ability to fabricate perfect rifles that the rest of us plebs couldn't even dream of waving a stick at.
I apologize for digressing... Going back to your initial question, the price of an M1 Rifle is dependent upon a number of factors. Condition, originality and rarity are amongst the most important determinants. Any original rifle, regardless of manufacturer will be worth more from a fiscal perspective than its rebuilt counterpart. I am of the opinion that an original wartime example manufactured by Springfield or Winchester is typically worth more than a post war example but obviously there are certain exceptions. Collectors seem to pay premiums for M1D sniper variants, correct IHC manufactured examples as well as Springfield rifles which fall within the 6 million serial range. These select post war variations are typically comparable in price with the wartime examples. They will almost always run north of $2000 ... and in certain instances much more than this.
Taking this one step further, I'll very briefly touch on the rarest of the rare... If by some amazing stroke of luck you came across an original gas trap rifle, you should not be surprised to see a five figure price tag attached to it (I've heard of them selling for up to $50,000 in the United States). I assume the same could be said for an authentic M1C Sniper manufactured during WWII. To the best of my knowledge, only 7,971 of these M1C sniper variants were manufactured in late 1944 to early 1945 and of those, 4,796 were subsequently refurbished in the early 1950s for use in the Korean War. After crunching some numbers, that leaves us with a potential 3175 possible M1C rifles out there... So if you find one of them, I strongly suggest that you do whatever you can to secure it. Take out a loan if you have to and if your wife won't let you, for the love of god at least think about giving me a call!
So, to answer your question, an M1 Rifle can be worth anywhere from $1000 to $50,000 depending on what it is.
- Chris
Generally speaking, nice shooter grade examples seem to sell anywhere from $1000 to $1500. For a rifle to be worth more than this, it has to be something exceptional... Unless of course it was built in the garage of the great Squinty. Such rifles are worth considerably more as his superior knowledge and intellect gives him the ability to fabricate perfect rifles that the rest of us plebs couldn't even dream of waving a stick at.
I apologize for digressing... Going back to your initial question, the price of an M1 Rifle is dependent upon a number of factors. Condition, originality and rarity are amongst the most important determinants. Any original rifle, regardless of manufacturer will be worth more from a fiscal perspective than its rebuilt counterpart. I am of the opinion that an original wartime example manufactured by Springfield or Winchester is typically worth more than a post war example but obviously there are certain exceptions. Collectors seem to pay premiums for M1D sniper variants, correct IHC manufactured examples as well as Springfield rifles which fall within the 6 million serial range. These select post war variations are typically comparable in price with the wartime examples. They will almost always run north of $2000 ... and in certain instances much more than this.
Taking this one step further, I'll very briefly touch on the rarest of the rare... If by some amazing stroke of luck you came across an original gas trap rifle, you should not be surprised to see a five figure price tag attached to it (I've heard of them selling for up to $50,000 in the United States). I assume the same could be said for an authentic M1C Sniper manufactured during WWII. To the best of my knowledge, only 7,971 of these M1C sniper variants were manufactured in late 1944 to early 1945 and of those, 4,796 were subsequently refurbished in the early 1950s for use in the Korean War. After crunching some numbers, that leaves us with a potential 3175 possible M1C rifles out there... So if you find one of them, I strongly suggest that you do whatever you can to secure it. Take out a loan if you have to and if your wife won't let you, for the love of god at least think about giving me a call!
So, to answer your question, an M1 Rifle can be worth anywhere from $1000 to $50,000 depending on what it is.
- Chris
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LOL $1000 garand, yep you see lots of those for sale.
With the US dollar costing $1.30 to purchase you can expect prices to go up.
With the US dollar costing $1.30 to purchase you can expect prices to go up.
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student of history
CGN Regular
Yes Josey - what I typed out is purely an opinion based on my own personal experience - it is not to be taken as gospel. Feel free to disagree if you like...
With that said, I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from? With SFRC selling all those $50 receivers, why do you find it so hard to believe that a shooter grade Italian rebuild can't be had for $1000? If broaden your search beyond the EE you may be surprised by what's out there.
Your point regarding the US dollar is valid in the sense that importing a rare firearm from the US (which cannot be found here) would most definitely be more expensive, but how would this effect the price of a standard shooter grade example that's simply been cobbled together with available parts? Unless you're looking for something very specific, why not just limit your search to one of the many Danish refurbs that can be found here in Canada without much effort?
If you read up on US export laws you'll find that Americans are not generally permitted to sell firearm parts internationally (without going to the trouble of filing for expensive permits) so the cache of M1 parts stashed beneath the 49th parallel are typically inaccessible to the average Canadian anyways.
- Chris
In my experience, it seems as though the price of M1 Rifles has begun to level off a little bit in recent months. There was a time (not too long ago) where people were actually getting $2000 for rebuilt shooters in the EE but buyers seem to have smartened up a bit.
Generally speaking, nice shooter grade examples seem to sell anywhere from $1000 to $1500. For a rifle to be worth more than this, it has to be something exceptional... Unless of course it was built in the garage of the great Squinty. Such rifles are worth considerably more as his superior knowledge and intellect gives him the ability to fabricate perfect rifles that the rest of us plebs couldn't even dream of waving a stick at.
I apologize for digressing... Going back to your initial question, the price of an M1 Rifle is dependent upon a number of factors. Condition, originality and rarity are amongst the most important determinants. Any original rifle, regardless of manufacturer will be worth more from a fiscal perspective than its rebuilt counterpart. I am of the opinion that an original wartime example manufactured by Springfield or Winchester is typically worth more than a post war example but obviously there are certain exceptions. Collectors seem to pay premiums for M1D sniper variants, correct IHC manufactured examples as well as Springfield rifles which fall within the 6 million serial range. These select post war variations are typically comparable in price with the wartime examples. They will almost always run north of $2000 ... and in certain instances much more than this.
Taking this one step further, I'll very briefly touch on the rarest of the rare... If by some amazing stroke of luck you came across an original gas trap rifle, you should not be surprised to see a five figure price tag attached to it (I've heard of them selling for up to $50,000 in the United States). I assume the same could be said for an authentic M1C Sniper manufactured during WWII. To the best of my knowledge, only 7,971 of these M1C sniper variants were manufactured in late 1944 to early 1945 and of those, 4,796 were subsequently refurbished in the early 1950s for use in the Korean War. After crunching some numbers, that leaves us with a potential 3175 possible M1C rifles out there... So if you find one of them, I strongly suggest that you do whatever you can to secure it. Take out a loan if you have to and if your wife won't let you, for the love of god at least think about giving me a call!
So, to answer your question, an M1 Rifle can be worth anywhere from $1000 to $50,000 depending on what it is.
- Chris
As I am a good natured person, I will overlook your dripping sarcasm.
The fact is that it is very easy to build a Garand. I bet that even you could do it.
But in order to build a Garand, one must have the proper tools and one must have quality parts. To put in bluntly, if you want to build a Garand, don't be a cheapskate.
I hope I am wrong, but it seems that you are too parsimonious to build a Garand. You seem to think that Garand prices start at $1000 and this is totally unrealistic.
I recently bought three gas cylinders and each one was brand new in the original cheese cloth wrap. These gas cylinders were over $200 each, but I bought them because I wanted the best possible parts. And that has always been my philosophy. I could buy cheap, worn-out parts and hope for the best, but what's the point of that?
When I buy an operating rod, I usually send it to Columbus Machine. Columbus Machine measures each part of the rod and that way I'm absolutely certain that everything is as it should be. Now Columbus Machine does not work for free but I pay them because I am not a cheapskate.
And if the operating rod does not meet specifications, Columbus Machine remanufactures the rod to new. And after that I send the rod out to be reparkerized. It is not cheap, but I don't want any parts that are not in accord with the numbers. And I want a rifle that is as close to new as possible.
A new Criterion barrel is at least $300 or more. Krieger barrels are north of $500 and it does not make any sense to waste time with a worn barrel.
When I build a Garand, I want it to shoot at least as well as any other new rifle.
I use stocks from Dean's Gun Restorations, because Dean is a master at fitting Garand stocks. Every stock that I've received from him fits perfectly. You cannot have an accurate Garand if the action does not fit tightly into the stock. It is also a major pain if you have to fit a stock. For me it is worth spending $500 on a DGR stock because these stocks work so well. I could buy beaten up old surplus stocks, but that would ruin everything.
It costs me about $1700 to $1800 to build a Garand on a Criterion barrel and it costs at least $2000 to build one using a Krieger.
If you are a cheapskate looking for a $1000 Garand, you are wasting your time. It might be better were you to buy instead an SKS and some cheap Czech ammo.
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Always wanted a garand due to it's mechanism, Unfortunately lots of people want them for their "I sawed it in a movie with soldiers and they killed baddies with this uber WMD" Garands are not rare, yet they go for crazy prices, if it belongs on a garand they jack up the prices because there are fanboys out there willing to drop that kind of money on one. Video games and hollywood have brought this. They should be going for much less, but hey people are willing to spend that cash, there are people who know how to cash in on it.
Come to think of it, you should know quite well as you were trying to do this many moons ago weren't you?
That Garand you had built for you was definitely nice! Take more pictures, dammit
If we can in fact not have CMP Garand's exported here it is a real shame. A friend down south just received an absolutely beautiful SA from the CMP and he couldn't be happier. What I imagine he paid makes our prices look criminal, but it's all a guess and I shall not get into that
turner saddlery sling ( thanks for the recommendation Barney!
) and SEI (Smith enterprises) Muzzle Brake
Here is the muzzle brake up close
