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I bought an Athlon because it was smaller than the Caldwell, and cheaper than the Garmin or Labradar. If it records speeds, gives me some idea of the consistency of the load, good enough. What it does on paper down range is what I'm concerned about. I can use it to setup to get on a target downrange, then work from there as to what needs fixing. maybe Athlon will have a BF price too, nature of competition in the market. It works well enough for my purposes.
 
I am assuming that the “athlon” and “range view” are the same unit?? Anyways, can the rangeview or athlon track shotgun loads and/or paper patched rounds?? Labradar will rarely track a paper patched bullet because it can only track a single projectile and gets confused when it sees the paper come off the bullet. Apparaently, it can’t decider which thing to track (bullet or paper) so it just doesn’t track anything. I suspect it would not track shot strings either. I had good luck with PP with the garmin but not the labradar and no experience with athlon. I currently use an old Chrony for shot shells but it often won’t track either.
 
Never tried paper patch or shotshells thru any of my chronos, had Chrony, have Magneto and an Oehler 35, don't really care about shotshell speed, as long as the load patterns. Never bothered to try paper patching, too much work.
 
Paul_T said:
Nothing you can do about the SD.

Garmin uses Population SD instead of Sample SD - Labradar uses Sample, not sure about Athlon

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/garmin-xero-c1-gets-the-sd-wrong.2480726/
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Athlon uses Population too

Easy enough to convert it to Sample SD, if you think it's a big deal. If the sample size is large enough to have any validity, I don't feel it matters one bit

Here's a 31 round string :

2868.4
2847.9
2861.5
2855.3
2861.2
2861
2875.8
2862.2
2862.9
2863.3
2863
2862.4
2855.3
2856.7
2870.4
2861.5
2867.7
2865.4
2847.5
2863.7
2858
2871.8
2846
2844.6
2846.6
2853.4
2866.6
2865.4
2860.3
2870.5
2846

Sample SD = 8.39
Population SD = 8.25
 
todbartell said:
Athlon uses Population too

Easy enough to convert it to Sample SD, if you think it's a big deal. If the sample size is large enough to have any validity, I don't feel it matters one bit

Here's a 31 round string :

2868.4
2847.9
2861.5
2855.3
2861.2
2861
2875.8
2862.2
2862.9
2863.3
2863
2862.4
2855.3
2856.7
2870.4
2861.5
2867.7
2865.4
2847.5
2863.7
2858
2871.8
2846
2844.6
2846.6
2853.4
2866.6
2865.4
2860.3
2870.5
2846

Sample SD = 8.39
Population SD = 8.25
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So basically the same. Not enough difference to worry about I think!
 
todbartell said:
Athlon uses Population too

Easy enough to convert it to Sample SD, if you think it's a big deal. If the sample size is large enough to have any validity, I don't feel it matters one bit

Here's a 31 round string :

2868.4
2847.9
2861.5
2855.3
2861.2
2861
2875.8
2862.2
2862.9
2863.3
2863
2862.4
2855.3
2856.7
2870.4
2861.5
2867.7
2865.4
2847.5
2863.7
2858
2871.8
2846
2844.6
2846.6
2853.4
2866.6
2865.4
2860.3
2870.5
2846

Sample SD = 8.39
Population SD = 8.25
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So basically there would be no measurable difference in actual shooting results.
 
Population SD will always be lower than sample SD, and the larger the number of shots in the string, the closer they will be. Most people won’t care.

I was thinking of buying an Athlon because of the faster speed of resolving the info vs the slower Garmin, but my last mod on my Labradar has it catching every single .22LR round, so no need to upgrade. Not yet anyhow. :)
 
todbartell said:
Athlon uses Population too

Easy enough to convert it to Sample SD, if you think it's a big deal. If the sample size is large enough to have any validity, I don't feel it matters one bit

Here's a 31 round string :

2868.4
2847.9
2861.5
2855.3
2861.2
2861
2875.8
2862.2
2862.9
2863.3
2863
2862.4
2855.3
2856.7
2870.4
2861.5
2867.7
2865.4
2847.5
2863.7
2858
2871.8
2846
2844.6
2846.6
2853.4
2866.6
2865.4
2860.3
2870.5
2846

Sample SD = 8.39
Population SD = 8.25
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Damn I wish I had that Small SD lol even being super careful weighting all my powder charge I sometime get something g like 18sd sometime better but not always!
I don’t dare using a powder throw lol that would make it even worst hahaha 😂!
Good on you to get that good sd!!
 
The real info comes from the average velocity, ES, and SD when the string is done. Results will improve if you put your focus on the target and trigger, rather than quickly moving your eyes to the radar once the primer goes off
 
adamg said:
The Garmin is pretty dumb when it comes to sessions. You start a session and shoot. As soon as you stop the capture session, it locks the session and you can't edit it. You can't remove cold bold shots, you can't add more shots in the future.

The Athlon allows both of those things.

It's also worth repeating that the Garmin has the wrong formula for computing Standard Deviation.
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I can edit the session on mine.
 
Just a heads up on ordering from amazon. I ordered one a few months ago and upon opening, what appeared to be a factory sealed box, found only a cheap led light. Took about a month to get my money back.

Fwiw, it was probably just a case of extreme bad luck as there were a ton of great reviews.

Ended up ordering the Athlon from Londero and couldn't be happier with how it performs.
 
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