Gauging interest in 2 day rifle course.

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I'm working on hosting a two day rifle course in central Canada and would like to see what kind of interest there is out there. Course would be taught by a highly skilled and experienced instructor (details to come).

The skills taught in this course would be applicable to competition shooters, hunters and general range hacks like me ;). This would be the level one introductory class for shooters who are looking to better handle their firearm safely and effectively. That said a basic understanding of safety and your firearm will be required. Subsequent levels of instruction will go into more depth

Course would cover

-firing positions
-safe handling of your rifle
-snap shooting
-etc etc. I'm sure you get the idea.

All participants would be required to provide PAL upon attendance of the course etc. time line would likely be some time in September.

Let me know what you think. If this kicks off there will be a limited number of slots to fill as we would want everyone to get as much attention as possible.
 
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References from who? What is the criteria for not being a nut?
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Honestly these details will be worked out once interest is confirmed and its a go. That said, professional (doctor, lawyer, accountant, family member, employer etc) Its just due diligence, if you don't like it don't come.
 
suprathepeg said:
Honestly these details will be worked out once interest is confirmed and its a go. That said, professional (doctor, lawyer, accountant, family member, employer etc) Its just due diligence, if you don't like it don't come.
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References? From a "professional"? A gov't issued PAL isn't good enough?

Its just due diligence, if you don't like it don't come.
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It's not "due diligence", it's unnecessary. I've taken real professional training in the US and Canada and not ever had to provide a reference.
 
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I'd be interested if its something beyond what is covered under the PAL and Hunter safety courses. Marksmanship whether applicable to competition or hunting would be my area of interest.
 
Concerns have been raised beyond the holding of a valid PAL exactly how those concerns will be delt with are YTBD. All I'm asking is if there is interest right now.
 
I'd be interested if it wasn't too basic of a course and covered stuff I was interested in. I would love to see some more advanced type pistol, tac shotgun or carbine courses offered in Canada.

I am interested if the location is right and the type of training would be benificial...something I haven't already done ten billion times already on the range.
 
The problem with running more advanced courses is people showing up who in their minds know more then they actually do. Then they steal training time from those who are ready. The idea is for this training to be a part of a series of courses designed to run into each other.

gushulak said:
I'd be interested if it wasn't too basic of a course and covered stuff I was interested in. I would love to see some more advanced type pistol, tac shotgun or carbine courses offered in Canada.

I am interested if the location is right and the type of training would be benificial...something I haven't already done ten billion times already on the range.
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Courses

For those of you in western Canada, review the events sections and you will find some courses being offered this summer for both the beginner and the more advanced.

Don't worry, none of these require a note of any sort. Well maybe one from the wife if she is the one that wears the pants in the household.:D

Greg
 
One instructor we're considering was a Royal Marine, fought in the Falklands worked in Iraq for 3 years etc etc. Others are equally qualified.
 
Stevo said:
References? From a "professional"? A gov't issued PAL isn't good enough?

It's not "due diligence", it's unnecessary. I've taken real professional training in the US and Canada and not ever had to provide a reference.
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Depending on the level of training a PAL shouldn't be good enough. I'll even give you an example why. In Canada, there are identifiable members of criminal organizations that possess a PAL and have registered firearms. Until such time as they receive a criminal conviction that warrants their PAL being revoked, they get to keep them. Thanks to the Charter, we get to live with such bull####. The same goes for criminal record checks, just because a guy can pass one, doesn't mean he isn't #### rat, it may well mean he hasn't received a criminal conviction yet. So let's see now because a guy has a PAL that the gov't can't lawfully take away, but he deals drugs for a living but has escaped conviction up until now, do you want this guy getting professional firearms training? Do you not give a #### who it might get used on?

If you have taken "real professional training in the US and Canada and not ever had to provide a reference" you have been fortunate. In fact you have been very lucky. I wouldn't expect to see it stay that way. ITAR is biting people more all the time. Outside of that, if people don't put some effort into self regulating or "due dilligence" you can easily expect to see training legislated on the home front over and above ITAR.

Think about what is needed to keep private sector training going in the long run. If people want to push back and say "my PAL is good enough" then I am positive you will see such opportunites restricted and legislated to the point of making it pointless to even bother. Put some effort into keeping undesirables out and you might be able to keep things the way they are awhile longer.
 
if it is a basic course, for complete newbs to black rifles, I would be interested.

I have handle firearms for many years but never on a course or with a black rifle.

I would be very interested.
 
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Depending on the level of training a PAL shouldn't be good enough. I'll even give you an example why. In Canada, there are identifiable members of criminal organizations that possess a PAL and have registered firearms. Until such time as they receive a criminal conviction that warrants their PAL being revoked, they get to keep them. Thanks to the Charter, we get to live with such bulls**t. The same goes for criminal record checks, just because a guy can pass one, doesn't mean he isn't s**t rat, it may well mean he hasn't received a criminal conviction yet. So let's see now because a guy has a PAL that the gov't can't lawfully take away, but he deals drugs for a living but has escaped conviction up until now, do you want this guy getting professional firearms training? Do you not give a s**t who it might get used on?

If you have taken "real professional training in the US and Canada and not ever had to provide a reference" you have been fortunate. In fact you have been very lucky. I wouldn't expect to see it stay that way. ITAR is biting people more all the time. Outside of that, if people don't put some effort into self regulating or "due dilligence" you can easily expect to see training legislated on the home front over and above ITAR.

Think about what is needed to keep private sector training going in the long run. If people want to push back and say "my PAL is good enough" then I am positive you will see such opportunites restricted and legislated to the point of making it pointless to even bother. Put some effort into keeping undesirables out and you might be able to keep things the way they are awhile longer.
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Might as well not allow any training then. A reference can be faked far easier than a valid PAL.
 
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