Gem Pro 250 vs RCBS 505

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Thought this may be of help to folks looking at the Gem Pro and alternatives. Been using a 505 for a long time and a Gem Pro for about a year now. Both are great, but I find myself mostly using the 505 to weigh charges, and the Gem Pro as a double check. I found that with the method below I can trickle faster on the 505 than the GP. Not by much, but a bit.

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I read online somewhere of a gent in the UK I believe who modified his 505 for accuracy and rigged up a web cam to view it. Sorry, can't for the life of me find the link now. Anyway, I went out and bought a webcam, cracked it open and adjusted the focus down to a half inch or so. It sits on a cartridge box pointed at the beam end. The gent in the UK had rigged up an extended pointer on his scale for more precision but also had to rebalance it. A piece of painter's tape across the screen instead serves as a precise reference line for better consistency, as the extended pointer would. Let the scale come to rest at 0 weight and place the tape across the screen in line with the pointer. Done. It obviously doesn't matter this way if the beam is zeroed against the line on the scale body, as your tape line is the reference, but I do it anyway to line things back up in case I bump anything.

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Using this method, I dump the rough thrown charge in the pan, let it settle and trickle the last few grains in till the beam line comes up to the tape line. Usually it's only a half dozen grains or so, so this is very quick. Smooth too as you see the pointer slowly rise on the screen. I've found this is a little bit quicker than dumping the rough charge into the Gem Pro pan trickling a few, weighing again and then waiting for it to settle.

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The 505 is advertised as having +/- 0.1 grain accuracy,
and the Gem Pro as +/- .02 grain accuracy. I have found this not to be the case; my experience is that the 505 is exactly as accurate as the Gem Pro when used this way. All charges comes out dead nuts on target when double checked on the Gem Pro. The 25.0 grains here was weighed out on the 505 seconds earlier, and came out exactly on target. Every time I think I've weighed a 24.95 for example it turns out the Gem Pro drifted a bit.

Both scales are great, I recommend either, or both, highly. I definitely prefer the Gem Pro for weighing cases or other things, where it's just one weighing and there's no bringing up to weight involved; it's much quicker than messing around with the .01 grain weight on the 505 and waiting for it to settle. So, in summary I guess you could say for weighing stuff, the Gen Pro is the winner. For getting stuff to a weight, my nod goes to the 505.
 
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I also find myself using my RCBS 10-10 for measuring powder and my Gempro for weighing bullets and confirming my powder thrower charges.
 
Yeah, with familiarity you get a good idea of how many kernels there are per 0.05 grains and so how many to trickle onto the GP... Still find having to lift the pan to get it to reweigh small increments means it takes longer than with the 505.

Anyone have a better webcam mounting idea LOL? It works but every time I look at it I think "that's so ####ing ghetto."

I'd like to try the Omega. That would speed things up too I bet.
 
That's the problem with the GemPro: it's made for gems that don't change weights.
A similar precision reloading scale is 4 times the price.
 
I was having problems with my 505 so I dug around abit on the net and found a few things to check out.

Sorry I dont know what all the parts are called, so.... bare with me. :)

I found out that the posts that the beam rests on as it sits on the plastic pieces with the V groove in it. It use to slide forwards or backwards some till it came in contact with the steel removable covers. When that happened it made it so that it grave the beam some resistance so it would kind of bind on me and seem not to give proper readings. What I did was I cut back some of the length with more of a angled cut to it. so that there was less surface area to rub. I also found that when I lifted the tray with powder in it, that it would kind of slam down and that slamming down is what made it shift front or backwards on me. So finding on the interweb someone had the same problem and they put a little piece of foam down there, so it didnt bottom out so hard and shift of me. With just these two little mods the scale has worked great for me since doing it. I can drop a single kernel of varget and see it move now.

Another mod i found was by putting a bunch of modeling clay and spray foam in the base of the scale giving it some weight, which makes it seem like a much more solid unit to me now.

The last thing I did was put some teflon tape on the threads for the leveling foot so it takes a little more force to level it out now and harder to move when in the middle of making rounds.

Now with these little mods Im really happy with this 505 scale.

Thought I would share. :)
 
Very cool and good to know. I know another member here did the webcam thing too. I have mine up at eye level in its permanent spot. I watch it head-on while trickling until the end. Then I'll stand to the left and look down the two lines from an angle and its very easy to see how close to true zero you are.
 
Good tips... definitely have to be careful with any external friction, that'll kill accuracy on a balance. I make sure to be careful the pivots are centered in the blocks when I set it up; shaving a bit off for more clearance and a small edge contact point is a great idea, there's little clearance to begin with.

I keep it disassembled and in a cabinet when not in use too, to save wear and tear on the pivots and v blocks. I think they're agate IIRC. Over time the pivots will dull, so I figure if they're not touching anything most of the time that'll take longer LOL. No biggie though, you can just sharpen them like a knife.

I like the earplug trick too. I think I'll play around with one top and bottom, to reduce overall range and settling time. Usually when I place the pan on the hanger I just pre position it close to the mark and very gently let go, that cuts down on settling time.

Here's what 24.95 and 25.05 looks like, to the kernel. IE one kernel of powder less and it reads 25.0 on the GP. So advertised accuracy aside, I think I can throw more consistently with the 505. I can see a single grain of Varget, and the +/- 0.1 gn accuracy seems to be pessimistic - if it's on the line, it's 25.0 on the GP.

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Webcam is a great idea!!! I had one that came with my Xbox that I'd never used, and it works perfectly through PhotoBooth on my iMac (after adding a little shelf to the stand I use for my scale)... My old eyes are going to be very happy the next time I'm weighing powder charges!!!

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Hahaha that is so cool! I'm glad to hear I don't have to run out and buy a GP 250 too. When I trickle with stick powder it usually gets down to one final stick. And it makes a difference.
 
Webcam is a great idea!!! I had one that came with my Xbox that I'd never used, and it works perfectly through PhotoBooth on my iMac (after adding a little shelf to the stand I use for my scale)... My old eyes are going to be very happy the next time I'm weighing powder charges!!!

Awesome. Yeah, it's a great idea. Found the place I saw it, it was a YT video, not on a board somewhere.

I like those screw heads sticking up to keep it in place too. May add that to my bench top.
 
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