For those using the followers , generation 2 is being released tomorrow.....
http://www.bizplaces.com/magpul/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=6144
http://www.bizplaces.com/magpul/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=6144
Generation 2..........Magpul followers
- Thread starter SCULLY
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- Ontario defense force (ODF HQ)
There's a good thread about them over at ar15.com.
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=259513&page=1
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=259513&page=1
I tried the Gen 1 followers in a couple of my mags that I took down to a US match, and they sucked...even after 'breaking in'. I went back to the regular green followers which work just fine.
It looks like the Gen 2 followers have addressed the issues with the Gen 1.
I'll buy 'em.
It looks like the Gen 2 followers have addressed the issues with the Gen 1.
I'll buy 'em.
I have over 100 Gen1's - as well guys in my old unti had over 100 we deployed to Afghan and had ZERO problems with them -- I woudl suggest that before you discount them you either had bad mags (the MAGPUL follows the mags tightly so it cannot nosedive)
CAG is currently testing the Gen 1 in a Labelle Black Teflon (similar to CF) format to try to get Hk mag reliability with lighter weight.
Some of the armchair comments here get annoying after a while.
CAG is currently testing the Gen 1 in a Labelle Black Teflon (similar to CF) format to try to get Hk mag reliability with lighter weight.
Some of the armchair comments here get annoying after a while.
LOL, Kevin`s mad , I got about a half dozen with the Gen 1 magpuls and they work great after a slight fileing in a few spots. When you install them just cycle them a few times and it will show where they rub tightly, a little chamfering with a file and emery cloth and your good to go. I pin them 1.55 inches down the inside of the ridge on the side of the mag.
I think the magpul gen 2`s will just be a bit looser so lazy people can just plug and play.
I think us in Canada are used to tweaking our mags because of the pinning crap.
I think the magpul gen 2`s will just be a bit looser so lazy people can just plug and play.
I think us in Canada are used to tweaking our mags because of the pinning crap.
6 - I appologies - my comments may not have been fair. However I get really pissed off since Richard Fitzpatrick is one of the few truly excellent people in the gun community. In talking to Ray I understand you got some from a lot that was supposed to have been condemened and replaced... If it is not right - Rich will make it right, as I told Ray -- I have a few hundred followers around and I would be glad to replace both of yours with good ones.
As for the Export Cert requirments -- that is due to a Canadian complaining...
My own experiences with the M16FOW have left me with the understanding that the main weak point are its mags (factory gun). Both the MAGPUL Ehanced Follower and the Hk SA80A2/High Reliability Mag are excellent solutions to that issue -- however a lot of people do not like the weight of the Hk Steel mag.
As for the Export Cert requirments -- that is due to a Canadian complaining...
My own experiences with the M16FOW have left me with the understanding that the main weak point are its mags (factory gun). Both the MAGPUL Ehanced Follower and the Hk SA80A2/High Reliability Mag are excellent solutions to that issue -- however a lot of people do not like the weight of the Hk Steel mag.
No apologies necessary! Please understand that I was criticizing the fit of MY Gen 1 mag followers in MY magazines, not the entire Magpul organization and the Canadian Army.
The Gen 1 mag followers that I tried in my mags were TIGHT. One was so tight at the top 3" that I couldn't even push it through any of the mag bodies that I had disassembled to take down to the US with me to a match. Now...I did consider that the mags might have been the problem, and I did consider starting work on the Gen1 followers to get them to work properly...but why bother? The 'old' green followers worked just fine, and why hack up a set of new followers that might work in another mag, or work for somebody else.
I'm not shy when it comes to trying new products, especially Magpul products, of which I have plenty on my AR. It's good stuff. Would I buy the Gen 2 followers? Of course I would.
The Gen 1 mag followers that I tried in my mags were TIGHT. One was so tight at the top 3" that I couldn't even push it through any of the mag bodies that I had disassembled to take down to the US with me to a match. Now...I did consider that the mags might have been the problem, and I did consider starting work on the Gen1 followers to get them to work properly...but why bother?
The 'old' green followers worked just fine, and why hack up a set of new followers that might work in another mag, or work for somebody else. I'm not shy when it comes to trying new products, especially Magpul products, of which I have plenty on my AR. It's good stuff. Would I buy the Gen 2 followers? Of course I would.
I'm still not clear why they are needed. This isn;t a slam on Magpul, but frankly they make a few things that I don;t see the point of, these followers being one of those items.
The US Army heavily tested and developped the green follower to address shortcomings in the black follower as used in 30 rd mags. I HAVE had issues with black followers, buit once replaced with green ones those issues evaporated.
I've never seen or heard of a reliability problem traced to green followers. Perhaps I'm naive, but why fix what doesn;t appear to be broken?
I don't see the US military clammoring for a new follower design... perhaps they are and I just am ignorant about it?
The othe rmagpul product I never understook is their flared and lowere3d winter trigger guard. I thought that was what the hinged quick-release was for???
The US Army heavily tested and developped the green follower to address shortcomings in the black follower as used in 30 rd mags. I HAVE had issues with black followers, buit once replaced with green ones those issues evaporated.
I've never seen or heard of a reliability problem traced to green followers. Perhaps I'm naive, but why fix what doesn;t appear to be broken?
I don't see the US military clammoring for a new follower design... perhaps they are and I just am ignorant about it?
The othe rmagpul product I never understook is their flared and lowere3d winter trigger guard. I thought that was what the hinged quick-release was for???
Claven -- US SOCOM is indeed clamoring for mag fixes.
The Green folower was a step in the right direction but it to can dive -- it is only lenghted on one point. The MAGPUL is an attempt to design a follower that traces the mag body throughout the full range of compression/expansion, thus it cannot dive.
It does have problems when mag bodies are damaged where the other followers a wee bit more forgiving in that respect when unloaded. However when loaded the green or black followers tend to bind in the spots the the Enhanced Follower bumped into while installing.
With the Mk262 Mod0 and Mod1 (77gr BTHP) rounds the follower is even more important.
The avg soldier shoots a few rounds a year and have less than a basic knowledge of firearms and their safe operation. When you start looking at the SOF unit with high round count guns and invovlment in repeated "use of force events" that is where reliable AAR's are generated on the performance of small arms tools.
- The larger trigger guard to to make it easier to operate with gloves -- no one with a shmick of common sense will use a rifle with an open trigger guard these days -- and we have learned that while in operational environements one should never be without three things - eye pro, ear pro, and hand protection (a flame resistant glove -- admittedly something the Worlds Navies learned after the Falklands, your dead in an emergency if you cannot use your hands, and you cant use your hands if they are charred...)
The Green folower was a step in the right direction but it to can dive -- it is only lenghted on one point. The MAGPUL is an attempt to design a follower that traces the mag body throughout the full range of compression/expansion, thus it cannot dive.
It does have problems when mag bodies are damaged where the other followers a wee bit more forgiving in that respect when unloaded. However when loaded the green or black followers tend to bind in the spots the the Enhanced Follower bumped into while installing.
With the Mk262 Mod0 and Mod1 (77gr BTHP) rounds the follower is even more important.
The avg soldier shoots a few rounds a year and have less than a basic knowledge of firearms and their safe operation. When you start looking at the SOF unit with high round count guns and invovlment in repeated "use of force events" that is where reliable AAR's are generated on the performance of small arms tools.
- The larger trigger guard to to make it easier to operate with gloves -- no one with a shmick of common sense will use a rifle with an open trigger guard these days -- and we have learned that while in operational environements one should never be without three things - eye pro, ear pro, and hand protection (a flame resistant glove -- admittedly something the Worlds Navies learned after the Falklands, your dead in an emergency if you cannot use your hands, and you cant use your hands if they are charred...)
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I have one mag I got off KevinB with the Gen 1 Magpul follower and I found out it only allowed me to load 3 rds in it. I took the mag apart and the hole was drill in the right spot ( to the other 5rd mags I had ), but since the magpul follower had a plastic lip that went down inside the mag, it was hitting the rivit and only allowing me to install 3 rds. I fixed the problem.
Hmm... well, I guess some folks feel they need them, and if so, that's good for Magpull, good for R&D, good for the troops and good for Gucci lovers.
I've had all of NO stoppages with any green followers so I doubt I'll switch. Worst that would ever happen to me is maybe a get a FTF during a 3 gun match. Oh well.
I've had all of NO stoppages with any green followers so I doubt I'll switch. Worst that would ever happen to me is maybe a get a FTF during a 3 gun match. Oh well.
Ardent
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Claven2 said:
You're also not consistently loading mags past 25 rounds and keeping them that way for as long as necessary while introducing sand and dirt into the mag unintentionally.
