Genuine 30-30 Hunting Questions.

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WhelanLad

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So Gday CGN.
today i smoked a Sambar with the 375 Winchester Model 94, the gun is such a dream to carry, point and shoot right- we all know this regarding Model 94s...

however the 375 Big Bore is fairly specific and a loaders only cartridge here downunder, cast bullets are good but sometimes hard to find and no i wont be casting, i like hard cast coated jobbys, anywho

this leads me to believe that for what i do an what i want, the Model 94 is my best platform.
examples-

5 rounds or more aviable-quickly.
Left hand friendly.
short and sweet rifle to cart an shoot.
robust. tough.

what my Big bore doesnt have is a Scope- i need a Scope to shoot at distance!

Angled Eject .30-30 Winchester, makes perfect sense.


I'd like some realistcallys from those who hunt with the 30-30, please.

Largest game at which distance?
inside what distance, scoped is capable of taking Elk.
projectile choice for ?? 200-250m Elk? capable?
filing good projectiles down for tube use realistic? (better projies)
model 94 able to handle high end powder charges?

that will do for now

thanks alot!
WL
 
Spank, what about poking one at it at 200 meters?
"he steps out broadside in the clearing above, just below the ridgeline, about 200m across the canyon, its a 6, a 6x6 of 50 inches....." ????
 
there seems to be 'such' a gap between the 30-30 and say, the 308, the 308(30-06) i would say is the benchmark or line in the Sand for perfect- either side is fine, bigger sort of better..
but a 170 at 2200fps is a bit of 180 at 2500fps.......
i need penetration- not from all angles type penetration, just 99% of deer pepentration to far hide. angling to an fro, broadside.

i cant stoke up a 30-30 anymore than being a 375 Winchester.. (do i darn well buy that marlin 375 win....hmmmmmmm)
 
WhelanLad said:
Spank, what about poking one at it at 200 meters?
"he steps out broadside in the clearing above, just below the ridgeline, about 200m across the canyon, its a 6, a 6x6 of 50 inches....." ????
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No....I’d have to pass until I could get into a position to stalk up on it to under 100 yards then make the shot if presented.

I have never tried and probably never will as Gramp drilled it in my head as a little guy that the 30-30 was a great little cartridge out to 100 yards maximum. He took 32 moose with his (now mine), most being under 50 yards. I have never even fired a shot on paper or anything else for that matter beyond 100 yards with it. I watched him shoot a small black bear at the cottage with it at about 25 yards. Dropped it right where it stood. It’s a very capable little cartridge within it’s range and with a well placed shot.
 
the spank said:
No....I’d have to pass until I could get into a position to stalk up on it to under 100 yards then make the shot if presented.

I have never tried and probably never will as Gramp drilled it in my head as a little guy that the 30-30 was a great little cartridge out to 100 yards maximum. He took 32 moose with his (now mine), most being under 50 yards. I have never even fired a shot on paper or anything else for that matter beyond 100 yards with it. I watched him shoot a small black bear at the cottage with it at about 25 yards. Dropped it right where it stood. It’s a very capable little cartridge within it’s range and with a well placed shot.
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yeah i can understand that an i think that is a stigma around the 30-30 too, alot of cartridges call under it too, "good for yaay far but thats it" but when these days alot of tailoring can be done to help certain sitations, beit heavvier slow for closer big stuff or lighter faster for a little better distance to an old cartridge.

good ethics though boy, i'd have a ping an try catch him on the next system :D :D

word just in, got a phone call tomorow RE a marlin 375 winchester to trade for my 9.3 tikka.... hope that works
 
BTW gramp left me two 30-30’s (30WCF). His very first rifle he bought at age 8. A 94 with 26” barrel and full length magazine and curved steel buttpad and a cracked stock held together with a big brass wood screw. It was a heavy beast and in such poor shape it was only good for a rebore and restore project in order to shoot it again. I eventually sold it. The other I kept is sweet as hell to carry and shoot, a 64 Deluxe Carbine.
 
"The .375 Winchester has some merit as a cartridge for use on larger bodied deer in heavy timber. Any velocity gains made via hand loading (safely) can be put to meaningful use. This is where this cartridge really comes into its own, fulfilling a role where the .30-30 is very much lacking."

ballistic studies quote
 
Personally, I like the Marlin a bit better. I think it's the blunt tipped bullets that are more of a hindrance at longer distance than the relatively low performance of the cartridge.
A long time ago, I short handgun metallic silhouette with a pistol on .30-30. Using Nosler 160-ish grain ballistic tips, the 200 metre ram fell every time I hit it, and that takes a fair whack to do. Of course pointed bullets would require single loading...
UNLESS you can get the Hornady ammo with the rubber-ish piped bullets, I've read that they are quite an improvement and safe for tubular mags.
 
Splatter said:
Personally, I like the Marlin a bit better. I think it's the blunt tipped bullets that are more of a hindrance at longer distance than the relatively low performance of the cartridge.
A long time ago, I short handgun metallic silhouette with a pistol on .30-30. Using Nosler 160-ish grain ballistic tips, the 200 metre ram fell every time I hit it, and that takes a fair whack to do. Of course pointed bullets would require single loading...
UNLESS you can get the Hornady ammo with the rubber-ish piped bullets, I've read that they are quite an improvement and safe for tubular mags.
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thanks splatter-
 
A .30/30 carbine loaded with handloads will give you about 2100 fps with a 170; a sensible zero range is 150 yards. Trajectory looks like about 2" high at 100, zero at 150, and a drop of about 6" at 200. There is no arguing about the positive carrying characteristics of a traditional lever action rifle, but I can't help but point out that a Browning BLR, and similar rifles, carry similarly, are easier to scope, and are chambered for the flatter shooting .308, that IIRC, you already load for. A .308 will do anything a .30/30 can do at close range, but at ranges of 200 and beyond, the .308 simply outclasses it.
 
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Boomer said:
A .30/30 carbine loaded with handloads will give you about 2100 fps with a 170; a sensible zero range is 150 yards. Trajectory looks like about 2" high at 100, zero at 150, and a drop of about 6" at 200. There is no arguing about the positive carrying characteristics of a traditional lever action rifle, but I can't help but point out that a Browning BLR, and similar rifles, carry similarly, are easier to scope, and are chambered for the flatter shooting .308, that IIRC, you already load for. A .308 will do anything a .30/30 can do at close range, but at ranges of 200 and beyond, the .308 simply outclasses it.
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BoomerBammer! i hear you!
old mate has not closed the door on the Trade for the 375 marlin, but it means i can keep the t3 for a while... however the stuff you say makes sense more, an realistically, the 308 is plenty proven performer ..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

WL
 
The last bull moose I took with the 30-30 was at 85 yards. I used to zero at 150yards, but I gave it up as pointless. Where I hunt, shots over 100 are few and far between, and the hold over required for those few extra yards if they do come is easy. The bull fell to a 170grain Hornady Interlock. Penetration estimate was 18" it did not exit, but lodged in the off side shoulder. I have no problem hunting moose with the 30-30, and I still do when I walk, but be aware that you need a good lung shot for best performance. Hitting heavy bone could make for trouble. I'd take moose out to 150yds, given the right angles, but beyond that I'd want the 308 or above.
As to pointy bullets in the 30-30, even if you figure a way past the tube mag thing, consider that those bullets are generally designed for higher velocities than the 30-30 achieves. You won't get the same performance as you would with bullets designed with the 30-30 in mind. The new Hornady pointed bullets designed for the 30-30 being the exception.
 
I drive the 160 FTX designed for the 30-30 at 2400, using Leverevolution powder.
This will work quite well out to 200, but I am still restricting my shots to 150 or so.
The 30-30 is a great little cartridge, but there are better ones for when the range
gets out there a bit. Dave.
 
For years I played with making the 30-30 more than it is. To me anyway, it wasn't worth it. The cartridge is what it is, a perfect short range medium game killing machine. At it's best in the light easy to carry model 94 Winchester.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
For years I played with making the 30-30 more than it is. To me anyway, it wasn't worth it. The cartridge is what it is, a perfect short range medium game killing machine. At it's best in the light easy to carry model 94 Winchester.
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John Y, say you AI this beastly round, Does it give you confidence to perhaps extend this range a bit? what is your short range, 100m? Ackley Improving using a Woodleigh FN 150gr "30-30" projectile, Does this make it more capable for Short to Mid range Medium game hunting?, in the Bush.

kamlooky said:
You could git all fancy and AI the trusty terdy-turdie.
Might gain a few paces.................huh?
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Yeah ya could Lookasaurus, it sort of does become just a little lesser than the 308 IMO, it would tackle the mid sized game that te 308 does, an still not the ' big game' unles under near perfect conditions.- something that doesnt happen on sambar-
heres one for ya, Rossi Rio Grande----- had a red dot but i talked him into taking it off, RRP $1100, he was asking $800 with reddot, adjusted price $600 bone stock Rossi .30-30. ????? thoughts? they do what i want ey?

Eagleye said:
but I am still restricting my shots to 150 or so.
The 30-30 is a great little cartridge, but there are better ones for when the range
gets out there a bit. Dave.
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Yeah true this Dave , TBH, shots can be anywhere from close to 250 quite easily just by being "across Gulley" from sambar.... an say being limited meant being on their Face, as you know the terrain changes as the angles do and sometimes 'getting in' close cant be done....im ok sitting on one hill with a 270winchester and having a Stag on another hill 500m away and Call it -safe.....but i cant sit one side of a gulley with a 30-30 and have a Stag at 250m away and call that - Safe!

Im a realistic under 300m hunter an more often than not do kill them in 30-30 ranges, but thats a majority of hinds an smaller stags, not a big One, a 'Must Have' , an thats where murphys law typically Kicks in...
 
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