German guns

medvedqc said:
no really a stutzen per say but more a full stock lol but very short due to the bolt ...View attachment 618500

Well it is called a Stutzen.A stutzen by definition is a short rifle or carbine but today it is more commonly associated with a European style sporting full stock with a carbine length barrel.The barrel on my Mauser 66 is 21 inches and if you couple that with the bolt design which shortens the overall length of the gun as well it is the very example of what a stutzen is supposed to be.
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Original Oberndorf Mauser Model S commercial sporters. 8mm and 9mm.

These are the Mauser "German-style" stutzens (S) as opposed to the more Austrian-style (and heavier) Model M.

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That model 66 is something else, totally different league in terms of aesthetics from the California-German half stocks
 
chasseur said:
medvedqc said:
no really a stutzen per say but more a full stock lol but very short due to the bolt ...View attachment 618500

Well it is called a Stutzen.A stutzen by definition is a short rifle or carbine but today it is more commonly associated with a European style sporting full stock with a carbine length barrel.The barrel on my Mauser 66 is 21 inches and if you couple that with the bolt design which shortens the overall length of the gun as well it is the very example of what a stutzen is supposed to be.
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Educate me please. This teutonic term have anything to do with those elaborate often brass curved buttplates I assume are designed for offhand target shooting?
Most often found on a certain single shot target rifles of mid to late 19th century?? (Germanic-North American?)
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You are talking about Schuetzen style shooting.My Vollmer 1851 Swiss feldstutzer is some what built along the lines of these target rifles though it was designed primarily as a military sniper rifle.This style of shooting started in the muzzleloading era and continued into the breech loading single shot period.
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Those are schutzen rifles not stutzen rifles if I understand correctly. For a Swiss offhand shooting contest (maybe German but apparently that distinction doesn’t mean much with this gang

Edit: chasseur got it and even spelled it right. As usual, nice gun chasseur
 
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People often mix up the two unrelated German rifle terms Schuetzen and Stutzen. I have a friend who similarly confuses Red Deer with Roe Deer. I don't bother correcting them. After all, the words do sound very much the same to the Anglo ear.
 
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chasseur said:
You are talking about Schuetzen style shooting.My Vollmer 1851 Swiss feldstutzer is some what built along the lines of these target rifles though it was designed primarily as a military sniper rifle.This style of shooting started in the muzzleloading era and continued into the breech loading single shot period.
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conor_90 said:
Those are schutzen rifles not stutzen rifles if I understand correctly. For a Swiss offhand shooting contest (maybe German but apparently that distinction doesn’t mean much with this gang

Edit: chasseur got it and even spelled it right. As usual, nice gun chasseur
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Rob said:
People often mix up the two unrelated German rifle terms Schuetzen and Stutzen. I have a friend who similarly confuses Red Deer with Roe Deer. I don't bother correcting them. After all, the words sound very much the same to the Anglo ear.
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Brutus said:
chasseur said:
Educate me please. This teutonic term have anything to do with those elaborate often brass curved buttplates I assume are designed for offhand target shooting?
Most often found on a certain single shot target rifles of mid to late 19th century?? (Germanic-North American?)
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my bad here. seems my ears are as bad as the red roe deer for anglo lol stutzen and schuetzen are 2 dfferent kinds. thank you chasseur to correct it and me.
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Big Bad said:
Read one time that ethnic Germans were and are to the USA what Scots were and are to Canada, a small but strong and vital ethnic group that had similar roles in shaping the country. As for Kitchner-Waterloo, they are for sure the Oktoberfest capital of the east, so many Bavarian bands in so small a space. :)
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Of course a lot of it depends on condition but myself I prefer the earlier versions of the 66 to the later versions as the 66 was one of those guns that started off perfect and was changed as production continued like the bolt stop ,safety safety and the receiver was squared off eventually compared to the early scalloped receiver.Before I would buy the full stock 66 at reliable I would want more detailed pictures of it and i would place the value around $1500 -$2000 depending on what the pictures show me.One thing to consider on the fullstock s is though these are switch barrel guns finding another barrel for a fullstock would not be easy as even the barrels for the half stock versions by themselves aren t that common.Also the barrels on the later 66 Mauser will not readily switch with the earlier models but can be made to fit
 
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