Germans and SVTs

[Dsiwy]

funny how the SVT was praised more by the Germans then the Russian.

 

[SeamusMac]

I'd sooner have a semi then a bolt-action myself! Interesting pictures, thank you.

 

[Dsiwy]

Few more

 

[desporterizer]

Seems like a no-brainer to me. That last one has a scope on it.

 

[Gibbs505]

The third pic, in post #3 is interesting!!!

 

[Coyote Ugly]

funny how the SVT was praised more by the Germans then the Russian.

Praise? The reality is a weapon captured or taken off the dead is still a very useable weapon. If you saw a CF soldier in A-stan with an AK47 in a pic, is he praising it over the C7 or M16? I don't think so.

 

[Dsiwy]

a Canadian soldier does not use the AK in combat instead of his C7
The germans did use the SVT40 instead of the Mauser

 

[tex_on_the_trigger]

cf

are guys arent aloud to swap out are they? honestly ive owned alot of ww2 guns over the years and misc surplus and so far the SVT is the nicest feeling semi from that generation and its got that amazingly under valued 7.62x54r
its nice and balenced so far i like it better than the m14 (may have somthing to do with the fact i learned on an SKS )

thanks for posting those pics

 

[Dsiwy]

I would not even think of taking a Afghans rusty POS over my C8 lol.
Now the funny thing about the SVT is the Russian had problems with there troops not cleaning it and thats why they thought poorly of it.
But I guess the germans took more care into weapons cleaning.

 

[Kampfhamster]

And don't forget that the germans used everything they could lay their hands on.

 

[Dsiwy]

True but I never seen any using a russian M44

 

[cyclone]

I'm sure any Russian would have loved the '41 and '43 rifles...

Recall, too that for the Russians increased ROF was less of a novelty than to the opposing side, considering their use of submachineguns.

 

[johnone]

NOT ONLY did the Germans use everything they captured, they re-issued it.... Had issue numbers for almost everything from pistols to artillery.

I still have a Bren with German Markings, A Thompson M1a1 with German stampings.... Have seen and dealt many a firearm with re-issue markings over the years....

AT one time Marstar dealt a fair number of M-44 carbines which had been German re-issue and were so marked....

John

 

[desporterizer]

Were they sold in Canada? I would love a German marked m44.

 

[koalorka]

They captured so many weapons in the initial stages of the war they included them into their inventories. The SVT's were very popular. Hard-hitting, mag-fed and self-loading, which was a novelty in 1941-42 since the G41 was never deployed in large numbers. The German designation for it was SIG.259(r) I believe.

 

[kjohn]

Seems to me I have a Nazi-marked M44 in my "stash". I would have bought it from Marstar.

 

[ollie]

thanks for the pics! makes me love my SVT even more. It IS the most complex firearm that I own, and it's never been surprising that Russian soldiers had difficulty maintaining them in the field. But I have to agree, it is one of the nicest shooting semi's of that time period that I've laid mitts on. The only downside-It'd be nice to enjoy the mag at the full 10 rounds!

 

[bearhunter]

I know the Germans reissued the 91 series and its derivatives, as well as the svts' and PPsh submachine guns. They also used the captured maxim gpmg and many of the tracked and wheeled vehicles.

I would strongly suspect the Russians did the same as often as possible.

The Sten was developed to use captured stores of 9x19 ammo etc. Many of the British tanks used the Besa machine guns in 7.92x57 as well, though I don't know if that was because of captured stores or not.

The germans also had a regiment of captured russian soldiers fighting for them as well, and issued them the weapons they were familiar with. I was under the impression that's where most of the german stamped and reissued equipment came from.

From a bit of reading recently, it was obvious that some german snipers actually preferred the 91 based snipers over their own.

bearhunter

 

[MauserMike]

The reality is Russian training infantry doctrine was not up to the task of keeping an SVT running in the field.

 

[eos]

The reality is Russian training infantry doctrine was not up to the task of keeping an SVT running in the field.

Training what became a 6 million man force in the use and maintenance of the SVT against the backdrop of a war of extermination, scorched earth doctrine and the occupation of most of Russia's industrial heartland was not practical.

I doubt the US or Britain could have done better under similar circumstances.