Get Tough, Dammit!!!! (...addressing firearm weight issues) Youtube review

Great post! I'm not adverse to a heavy rifle (Hell I've owned a dozen Swiss Arms) but I am a fan of shaving weight anywhere I can including my rifle. In reality, your not just carrying the rifle, you have the gear too. The less weight = less fatigue. Despite this fact, I agree with fitness being paramount regardless of your chosen lifestyle.
 
angryeyebrows said:
Great post! I'm not adverse to a heavy rifle (Hell I've owned a dozen Swiss Arms) but I am a fan of shaving weight anywhere I can including my rifle. In reality, your not just carrying the rifle, you have the gear too. The less weight = less fatigue. Despite this fact, I agree with fitness being paramount regardless of your chosen lifestyle.
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I'm not adverse, either - but why have a 12lbs rifle when you can have an 8lbs one... Lots of stuff he could strip off that rifle to shave a pound or so off.
 
blaxsun said:
I'm not adverse, either - but why have a 12lbs rifle when you can have an 8lbs one... Lots of stuff he could strip off that rifle to shave a pound or so off.
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Yes he can shave stuff of that rifle and then what??? put it on his rig perhaps?

But what are you losing by keeping to that 8lbs number???

A lot of people sacrifice capability at the expense of weight on there rifles.

I hear weight all the time in regards to people carrying there rifles as there number one concern, and the usual "this is way too heavy"for me. I think people should look at what people carried in many wars as a meter before they invest in there rifle system.

I think we can all agree having a lighter rifle is always the aim, but at the expense of capability is one thing I would not want to compromise on either.

I find most people turn to a SBR for the wrong reason very regularly and this is unfortunate.
 
a full size 1911! that weak, get tough man, i wear a Desert Eagle as a main gun and a .460 S&W as a backup and i don't feel them :rolleyes:
 
... How many people here are carrying their rifles into battle? If you get tired carrying your AR at the range, there is a bigger problem at hand. Put down the playstation and pick up some weights.. problem solved.

I got to carry a C6 for a few years.. never got to cry about the weight.

Suck it up Buttercup! ;)
 
Why complain about weight? Because this is the build of the average CGN'r:

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It's a long way from the truck to the firing line ;)
 
Depends on the application you are using the rifle for.


Feedback we are getting from our clients is the weight issue is a big factor. We are noticing this as well with the huge demand for BFG Helium Whisper products.

Granted at the shooting range it doesn't matter, but when loading up a helicopter, ounces spread out over a number of guys makes a difference.


Talking to a client a few weeks ago and they mentioned if they were running Helium Whisper and an LMAC they would of had the ability to carry an extra 30rnd mag, that he had to leave behind due to weight issues on the chopper.


For military it's not about picking up more weights and getting tough, it's about carrying more gear without adding more weight. Ask guys over 40 how their knees and backs are!!


If we are going to add more technology onto the soldier then the weight of everything else he carries needs to be cut down.

Comes into play on logistics as well. Six guys on a chopper carrying 12 lb rifles is an extra 36lbs compared to 6lb carbines. Now figure out that math for a chinook. ;) The heavier items are, the more fuel you require to move it.


Again depends on application. If your going to the range, well, choose what works for you.
 
Reminds me of the Bill Mauldin Cartoon of Willy and Joe carrying every peice of weapon in their infantry company.

"Hey Willy, if you're complaining about all the extra stuff you have to carry, why don't you throw away that joker in your deck of cards?"
 
Look at your own capability and choose what is right for yourself.

Being macho about weight of your rifle is retarded - it is efficiency and effectiveness that count.
 
Farmboy said:
For military it's not about picking up more weights and getting tough, it's about carrying more gear without adding more weight. Ask guys over 40 how their knees and backs are!!

Again depends on application. If your going to the range, well, choose what works for you.
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I agree with many points here, but to keep in mind a lot of CF members have bad knees because they were not aloud to wear knee pads/protection off any sort. Also at times the physical fitness suffered extensively which added to the deterioration of the body as well. A lot of the new combats have built in knee protection of some sort, these are critical in my opinion and add little weight if any and make all the difference in the world and actually save an abundance of money and time to the soldiers service life.

It really depends on your roll or mission, but to keep in mind on a modern battlefield having armored transportation of some sort is more the norm now anyway.

Off course patrols and going for 20km to 30km hikes are still very much a part of the game but many shooters I find are always sacrificing to much at times in regards to capability.

I would have to say many people are just obsessed with CQB tactics and SBR, although they have there place and are essential and very practical I find the trend of people running SBR to be based more on ignorance and lack of physical conditioning or the cool factor, of the rifle being so tight and compact.

The 5.56 loses it lethality effectiveness roughly around 245 meters and with a shorter AR barrel it does this at even lesser distance. For shooting paper it does not matter in close distance of 100 or 200 meters.
 
Admittedly as soon as I see someone with a buttstock mag puch I tend to dismiss them as a clown anyway...


For Mil. Weight is a premium. The issue on everything boils down to "is the juice worth the squeeze".

Will the added capability offset the added weight -- or can I shave something somewhere to make me more combat able, or combat effective longer.
 
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