Hi all, I just bought a nice revolver in 38 S&W, which must be registered as you know. Since the RCMP does not blacklist the british .38-200 or the .380 Revolver Mk IIz, which are essentialy the same as the 38 S&W, is there a loop hole we can use, like using a glock .40 mags to put 12 rounds of 9mm, or using a pistol mag into a semi-auto rifle allowing us to use 10 rounds?
Getting antique status for 38 S&W by stating it is a .38-200
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Short answer; no.
Long answer; It is highly likely that there is some kind of documentation on your new purchase that states what caliber it was manufactured for. This documentation will over rule any claim you make.
Essentially the same; isn't in the eyes of the law in this case.
Furthermore it's ill advisable to misrepresent a revolver in order to obtain antique status. The letter is only issued based off of the information you give and if it is ever found that the information was misrepresented, even unknowingly, there will be no protection for you in a court of law. In fact the letter clearly states "based off of information provided to us by you" (or something of that sort, going off memory here) in order to give the legal framework to bite you in the ass should a person attempt misrepresentation.
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Loki nailed it.
That said, I deregistered a euro revolver. It was found to be .380rev. It was originally registered as a 38s&w.
OP, You don't mention the date you revolver was manufactured that is another factor, no matter which cartridge it is chambered for.
I have noticed a few posts over the last year where people are suggesting that certain firearms be declared antiques because ammunition is not available any longer. There seem to be some gray areas concerning antique classification but the manufacture date is the biggie for most of them.
I have noticed a few posts over the last year where people are suggesting that certain firearms be declared antiques because ammunition is not available any longer. There seem to be some gray areas concerning antique classification but the manufacture date is the biggie for most of them.
for the S&W in 38 cal, about the only way that I could see it being classed as a 380 would be to have a new cylinder made for it with a shoulder on the inside that prevented a full length 38 S&W being chambered. For guns with screw in barrels, setting the barrel back and shortening the cylinder accordingly might accomplish that goal. To get antique status the gun would also have to be made before 1898. The fly in the ointment is that policy now seems to be that a pre 1898 restricted gun can never become a antique and a pre 1898 prohib can never become antique. In both cases the current policy seems to be that a guns previous caliber taints the frame for the rest of time regardless of whether or not it has been altered to otherwise conform to antique standards
cheers mooncoon
cheers mooncoon
There is no gray area. Whether ammo is available or not, died as one of the defining characteristics, WAY back before the Laws were fully written, though there was some mention of it in a pamphlet that the RCMP apparently sent out in the lead-up to the new registry/C-68 coming in to effect. People have been quoting it as gospel ever since.
It was, I believe, not deemed to be able to be accurately defined to the satisfaction of even the most hopeful on the gun ban committee, so it went away, and instead, they made a list that covered most of the 'old pistol' ammo that they thought they knew about, which, pretty much, seemed to amount to going through a Guns Annual, and making a list.
Read the link in the stickies at the top of the forum. There is a direct link to the Law, which states that it must be made before (insert date here?) 1898, and NOT BE one of the listed calibers, before it is prescribed as an "Antique" under the Law.
The flow chart in the stickies is another means of making the determination, based on the same information from the Law.
Cheers
Trev
