Getting Business licence to experiment manufacturing gun parts

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All,

Might sound absurd but i wanted to understand the legality / process of getting a business license for manufacturing parts / 3D print parts.

for example with business license can i 3D print a handgun frame and not sell to anyone ? (selling is illegal. Like Ranges can get handgun and rent them but cant sell or transfer under C71)

Can i 3d print a small component and sell it online ?

not trying to break the law or get arrested. Lol :)

just want to learn and enjoy this as hobby.

Please delete this thread if not in appropriate section.
 
The licence is only valid for the activities specified on it.
<https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/licensing-businesses>

A business may have prohibited items only for one of the specified purposes in Section 22 of the Firearms Licences Regulations.
<https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/licensing-businesses>

The CFO may add conditions at his or her discretion.
<https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/licensing-businesses>
 
Wendell said:
The licence is only valid for the activities specified on it.
<https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/licensing-businesses>

A business may have prohibited items only for one of the specified purposes in Section 22 of the Firearms Licences Regulations.
<https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/licensing-businesses>

The CFO may add conditions at his or her discretion.
<https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/licensing-businesses>
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Thanks I also mailed CFO ON to get his/her take. To me it looks like, i can manufacture parts and sell (if legal) and cant sell if its illegal. worth the shot.
 
You can get a manufacturing licence, or a gunsmith licence , etc. I have the guide around yet , its 4 yrs old so price may have changed ?
The fee was over 1K for manufacturing, 1250.oo I believe.
it has to be legal, You can make restricted parts, but not prohibited parts , printed Glock frames these days Good question. Ask them
A few yrs back , you could make frames, or buy rough castings, 80%.
But now? You can't register new ones , so I don't think its a go. I am out of the loop for the last 2yrs.
other stuff, that don't require paper would not be a problem, and Would not require a firearms business licence, unless you wanted to set up a business
If you do that , there is way more than then the firearms licence , city , county, RM , taxes, GST, security, insurance ( good luck there).

The only thing listed these days re prohibited stuff is for the movie industry
 
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marshall said:
You can get a manufacturing licence, or a gunsmith licence , etc. I have the guide around yet , its 4 yrs old so price may have changed ?
The fee was over 1K for manufacturing, 1250.oo I believe.
it has to be legal, You can make restricted parts, but not prohibited parts , printed Glock frames these days Good question. Ask them
A few yrs back , you could make frames, or buy rough castings, 80%.
But now? You can't register new ones , so I don't think its a go. I am out of the loop for the last 2yrs.
other stuff, that don't require paper would not be a problem, and Would not require a firearms business licence, unless you wanted to set up a business
If you do that , there is way more than then the firearms licence , city , county, RM , taxes, GST, security, insurance ( good luck there).

The only thing listed these days re prohibited stuff is for the movie industry
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thank you. can you point me to that guide ?
 
To my understanding, you only need a license if you’re actually making “firearms”, whether that’s gunsmithing customer firearms, or making the single component that constitutes the “firearm” (frame, receiver, etc). Everything else is just parts, and you can manufacture those without restriction.
 
iloveruger said:
for example with business license can i 3D print a handgun frame and not sell to anyone ? (selling is illegal. Like Ranges can get handgun and rent them but cant sell or transfer under C71)
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you can manufacture with a manufacturing clause on your license, you can sell with a retail or wholesale clause. You can still sell handguns to other businesses or for export.

Pretty sure you don't need a license for _parts_ - there were businesses that did accessories for a while but had to get licensed to make receivers. (We are talking CFO only here, whether you need a license to operate a business from your municipality and how to deal with Revenue is a separate issue)

The fee is on renewal every 3 years.

Specifically, manufacturing of restricted (and prohibited) is currently 125. I seem to recall it was higher three years ago, but they now split it up - Manufacturing other than those or other than for the Entertainment Industry is 1156.40 after March 31, 2023.

But fun fact, when you have a business license, getting a range for business use only is a lot easier than for private PAL holders.
 
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alpining said:
You might get more information if you post the same question in the CGN "Legalese" subforum.
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Thank you. Appreciate that. i contacted CFO and He referred to me to check with Registry and they will analyze and get back to me. I requested information for just 3D printing (as prototype) and not planning to sell immediately.
 
iloveruger said:
All,

Might sound absurd but i wanted to understand the legality / process of getting a business license for manufacturing parts / 3D print parts.

for example with business license can i 3D print a handgun frame and not sell to anyone ? (selling is illegal. Like Ranges can get handgun and rent them but cant sell or transfer under C71)

Can i 3d print a small component and sell it online ?

not trying to break the law or get arrested. Lol :)

just want to learn and enjoy this as hobby.

Please delete this thread if not in appropriate section.
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You "may" run into zoning bylaws where you live if the plan to manufacture at home.
Insurance is extremely expensive as a manufacturer.
My advice would be to thoroughly investigate your zoning bylaws and insurance ramifications.
 
I've spoken to people who claimed to have a business license to manufacture prohibited stuff; the bottom line (I think) is that if you want to do it, prepare a business case, and the CFO has the authority to authorize you to do it.
 
To get a firearms business license of any description you need:
- letters from your local PD,
- letters from your municipality
- proof of monitored alarm system
- CFO approved storage.

So a lot of red tape & $$ if you are not making controlled parts.

Also the fees are cumulative per condition, so manufacture fee, plus storage fee, ... all of it is in the application form which you can get easily by calling or emailing your CFO.

I'm in Ontario and we manage a business license for our range (ammo sales) - our CFO is very helpful and quick to respond to our questions.

Sounds like you don't need one, but don't listen to me or anyone else. Call the CFO.
 
sean69 said:
To get a firearms business license of any description you need:
- letters from your local PD,
- letters from your municipality
- proof of monitored alarm system
- CFO approved storage.

So a lot of red tape & $$ if you are not making controlled parts.

Also the fees are cumulative per condition, so manufacture fee, plus storage fee, ... all of it is in the application form which you can get easily by calling or emailing your CFO.

I'm in Ontario and we manage a business license for our range (ammo sales) - our CFO is very helpful and quick to respond to our questions.

Sounds like you don't need one, but don't listen to me or anyone else. Call the CFO.
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No to the first three in QC. CFO approved storage is done via an inspection.
 
iloveruger said:
thank you. can you point me to that guide ?
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The RCMP firearms section or your CFO would send you one I would think, what I have is my business licence renewal at the present.
I think the old guide is gone, I can't find it , would not have been current anyway.
 
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