getting gunsmithing done in the states

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hello all
i am being very lazy here:

I would like to be able to use the services of a gunsmith in Ohio for some stock work on an old Fox shotgun that i have.
without looking through all of the forms and regs on the CFC website I am wondering if any one has ever done this recently??

Am i barking up the wrong tree entirely or is there a chance that this can still be done given the difficulties in firearms movement to and from the states.
And no, I can not bring the gun myself as has already been suggested to me.

any comments would be much appreciated!

jsd
 
Contact the fellow in the US and ask him... someone down there is going to have to import it and export it.
 
Fill out an ATF NIA Form 6 (temporary import permit), buy a hunting license in the US (ND is $17), then drive down. When you come back it counts the same way as having any work done to your car; declare it, sure a receipt, pay GST.

Ah, missed the "I can't go down" part. Calling the shop would be your first stop, but if it is just the stock, strip everything off, and only send wood (and only get back wood). Though I would ask, why would you get stock work done if it can't be fit to you?
 
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Sapper33 said:
Though I would ask, why would you get stock work done if it can't be fit to you?
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A good and fair question - this is not about fitting a gun to me, it is about repairing a stock that is separating. ever seen older American Side by sides (particluarly Parkers) with the through bolt at the "cheeks" right where the stock meets the rear of the receiver? yeah, and i hate those things. this shop has a way of doing it that is permanent and invisible. the part that makes it so that one can actually pound a few thousand round through an old Sterlingworth is the way that the whole thing is glass bedded to the receiver. i have sent a note to the fella to ask about maybe just having the finicky part that involves the in-letting inside the head of the stock done and then i would take a stab at glassing the stock to the receiver. which would make it so that only wood is being shipped.
i do believe that would completely "fix" the shipping issue. the forearm could be sent long as well so that some checkering work could be done too.

i noticed on a sticky on the "Legalese" forum that there is a fellow in Canadian immigration to contact paul.galveias@international.gc.ca that is familiar with this but he will not be back in office until the 6th. i can not find anything straight forward in the CFC website that has to do with the movement of guns strictly for the purpose of repair, and i have a hard time calling them during their office hours.

thanks for the note and i will just keep on keepin on. this shop really impresses me to the point that i would like them to work on the old beasty. the fellow is Doug Carpenter of Carpenters Custom Gunstocks he is in Madison Ohio. he was specifically recommended to me by the fox nutz on that fox collectors association forum ( I belong to it with my collection of ONE - kinda funny but they don't care and they have a lot of combined expertise and contacts.

sill keep you aprised of how it goes..................
jsd
 
The 'movement' - export/import problem is all with the US officials. It is their laws not Canada's... so you may not find much about it from CFC? If you can get that interior reinforcement done, glassing the action/stock fit is pretty easy.
 
Not sure if it helps but I was trying to get some custom work done on a M1 Garand. The 'smith was all for it and was looking into the legalities. A visit in person by a representative of the BATF put the brakes on any more talk of that. I also contacted IRunGuns and they would have nothing to do with exporting/importing said firearm.
 
FALover said:
Not sure if it helps but I was trying to get some custom work done on a M1 Garand. The 'smith was all for it and was looking into the legalities. A visit in person by a representative of the BATF put the brakes on any more talk of that. I also contacted IRunGuns and they would have nothing to do with exporting/importing said firearm.
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Yes, i got a similar response from IRun guns too, wants nothing to do with moving the item back and forth. perhaps part of the issue with your piece was the type of weapon it is.......basically an old war horse. i like to think of the thing i have as a sporting piece - but that does not seem to matter....

thanks for the comments, Guntech, about which side of the border is doing the governance. I kinda thought that it was a problem with the US not wanting firearms to fall into the hands of those that harbor terrorists or something along those lines.

the notion of shipping the wood only and having that worked on in the states has come up three times now, perhaps that is the way, and then have someone who knows what they are doing with acraglass or devcon here to finish it. Hmm I wonder who i might approach about that? :rolleyes:
but; first things first........

thanks for the comments, gents, and as always will keep ya'll aprised of the situation.
jsd
 
It's not the CFC who cares. It's the ATF. On their site's FAQ's, there is a question about this exact thing.
A Fox shouldn't be any trouble. Mind you, shotgun rules, Stateside, come from the U.S. Dept of Commerce, for some daft reason. So you may have to go there too.
Lend/Lease firearms, like FALover's M1 Rifle, can't be re-imported, Stateside, for any reason. They haven't been allowed back since 1968. The U.S. anti-firearms groups got it snuck into the GCA of 1968 after Robert Kennedy and King where shot.
 
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Unfortunately Canada is on the restricted country list due to Alan Rock and Lloyd Axeworthy. If you lived in Scotland or many other countries in the world you would not have this problem.

Shotguns and parts for shotguns fall into the controlled category. There is no easy way to legally import/export these parts that I am aware of.
 
sunray said:
A Fox shouldn't be any trouble. Mind you, shotgun rules, Stateside, come from the U.S. Dept of Commerce, for some daft reason. So you may have to go there too.
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Right!! ok, I am getting closer to an answer that will be a sensible systematic way of getting the gun down there, repaired and then back again. the ATF has a huge portion on the export of firearms of course. and come to find out the department of commerce deals with shotguns, as you said.........
i just have to locate the export control classification number (ECCCN) for the fox, and then that number goes on the export form from the ATF whose name i temporarily can not remember.
It is a good idea, (although evidently not always required) to get an International Import Certificate from the Canadian Dept of Foreign affairs and international trade (this is where Paul Galveias comes in) to atach to the export permit application. this IIC document is not an import permit to Canada at all, it is an end use assurance document so that the exporter in the states (the repair shop in this case) for when he applies for the export permit from the ATF it gives them (ATF) an idea of what the firearm in question is going to be used for. in this case i am supposed to tick off "recreational use" says Mr. Galveias. Supposedly this IIC thing is not required; it just is a lubricant for getting the export permit granted to the repair shop from the ATF - even though shotguns are handled by dept of commerce:confused:
clear as mud, so what i am doing is stirring the pot for a bit, then let it settle for a couple of days. i want to believe what Mr. Galveias told me on the phone "there is no reason to not ship the entire gun down for a proper and full repair. being a shotgun it is entirely possible........"
thank goodness this is "only" a shotgun. if were a rifle such as the M1 that opens up a different arena of even more confusion and that I think, is where the Pros are called in.
So thi sis where i am at fof those who care.
thanks again to those that hav made comment and any moe are welcom as they all seem to open up other areas to look at that are helpful
cheers!
jsd
 
ground down

i let the bastards grind me down,
the repair shop in the states did way more and ever and above what a normal individual would have done to work with the ATF and the state Dept and he told me that they appear to be so understaffed that he will not be able to get the necessary documents to allow for an import/export for over a year. I could not seem to find anyone in Canada here that is willing to take on side by side work so i traded the gun off to an enthusiastic fella. he got filed in on all the details, and i got a lovely civilian issue cooey M82 trainer that shoots like a hot damn.

it is all really too bad and what is so pathetic is that the US does not seem to realize that with all of the prohibitive legislation for the safety of their citizens: it really means that they have already lost the war to the teroritsts. so humbug and bah!

that is what has become of a perfectly fine and interesting shotgun. merry xmas to you all!
jsd
 
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