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Been doing some precision shooting in bigger calibers but am now thinking of going smaller.
Right now I am mulling about a CZ platform and need to decide on a scope for it. Would appreciate some feedback and suggestions. Here are my requirements
- mildot
- good for 50-200 yards regularly
- FFP
- parallax adjustment
I think right now in Canada the closest I can find is the Primary Arms 4-14 (although the 4 seems a tad high for short range).
Any other recommendations?
TIA
 
I got into same thing two years ago. I run a Mueller 8.5-25 x 50 Eraticator on a CZ455. Love it to death. Also have the 4-16 AO and the 8-32 x 44. I see on their website they have a new 40x X 56 Target. For the money, I find the Mueller's offer decent performance for not much $$$. They are made in China, of course, but have Japanese glass and the optics are designed in Germany. I also have an old Anhutz/Cil 120 that shoots lights out. Put an Anschutz KK50 4-12 x 44 scope on it. It has a circle in there for an aiming point, different but works well.

The other thing to be aware of, I am sure you already know this, but 22's are very finicky for ammo. I have tried 17 different types in mine. Everything from the cheapest fodder ( useless for precision work) to Eley Tenex. After all that, I found SK standard is pretty decent, and under $10 / 50.

Hope some of this helps you out. Good luck!
 
rikkards said:
Because I like FFP :)
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Fair enough.

Other readers looking to scope a .22LR for target shooting may be interested to know why the vast majority of .22 target shooters avoid first focal plane scopes in favour of second focal plane glass.

With a first focal plane scope the reticle size stays the same relative to the target. It appears to thicken as magnification increases. The result is that it can obscure part of the target. This is especially important with rimfire targets which are typically very small. At 50 yards, a half-inch circle for the target is not unusual. A FFP reticle may cover such a circle completely, while a fine crosshairs retile on a SFP scope would allow the shooter to see the target without the crosshairs obscuring the target.

The center bull on the target shown below is much larger than a typical target used for .22 rimfire. Imagine a bull that is significantly smaller than the large one shown in this image, one that appears even smaller than the first one on the left when looking at it at 50 yards with maximum magnification.

 
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grauhanen said:
Fair enough.

Other readers looking to scope a .22LR for target shooting may be interested to know why the vast majority of .22 target shooters avoid first focal plane scopes in favour of second focal plane glass.

With a first focal plane scope the reticle size stays the same relative to the target. It appears to thicken as magnification increases. The result is that it can obscure part of the target. This is especially important with rimfire targets which are typically very small. At 50 yards, a half-inch circle for the target is not unusual. A FFP reticle may cover such a circle completely, while a fine crosshairs retile on a SFP scope would allow the shooter to see the target without the crosshairs obscuring the target.

The center bull on the target shown below is much larger than a typical target used for .22 rimfire. Imagine a bull that is significantly smaller than the large one shown in this image, one that appears even smaller than the first one on the left when looking at it at 50 yards with maximum magnification.

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To be honest, coming from larger calibres, that isn't something I even thought of and I may have to take into account now.
 
I have the CZ 512 and the CZ452 lux with leaf sights. If you want 2 of the nicest 22's you can buy get these.
I put a little business reddot on the 512 and it's a perfect camp gun. If compared to a 10/22 it has less recoil (I know) and shoots about 3moa (3moared dot) with the Reddot at 100m with bulk ammo.

The 452 is also an amazing gun and my favourite 22... the iron sights make it a perfect trainer for iron sight shooting and it's 1moa accurate with iron sights, with me as the shooter which is insane.
 
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philhut said:
I have the CZ 512 and the CZ452 lux with leaf sights. If you want 2 of the nicest 22's you can buy get these.
I put a little business reddot on the 512 and it's a perfect camp gun. If compared to a 10/22 it has less recoil (I know) and shoots about 3moa with the Reddot at 100m with bulk ammo.

The 452 is also an amazing gun and my favourite 22... the iron sights make it a perfect trainer for iron sight shooting and it's 1moa accurate with iron sights, with me as the shooter which is insane.
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Definitely going scoped, my vision is not as good as it used to be and even 50 yards is getting hard with iron sights.
 
My comment has more to do with the rifle. I love CZs, but CZ452s, not the newer 455s. The difference is small, but important.

Also, not sure if you've owned a CZ but bolt throw is on the high side, so I've always stuck with 1" tube scopes. I suspect that you'll be opting for a 20MOA (or greater) rail too, check out EGW via Propher River. I've bought them for other rifles, never for a CZ though... I trust they make them. For 200 yards+/22LR..some elevation flexibility would be useful
 
.22LRGUY said:
My comment has more to do with the rifle. I love CZs, but CZ452s, not the newer 455s. The difference is small, but important.

Also, not sure if you've owned a CZ but bolt throw is on the high side, so I've always stuck with 1" tube scopes. I suspect that you'll be opting for a 20MOA (or greater) rail too, check out EGW via Propher River. I've bought them for other rifles, never for a CZ though... I trust they make them. For 200 yards+/22LR..some elevation flexibility would be useful
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Thanks for the input! Very informative!
 
.22LRGUY said:
My comment has more to do with the rifle. I love CZs, but CZ452s, not the newer 455s. The difference is small, but important.

Also, not sure if you've owned a CZ but bolt throw is on the high side, so I've always stuck with 1" tube scopes. I suspect that you'll be opting for a 20MOA (or greater) rail too, check out EGW via Propher River. I've bought them for other rifles, never for a CZ though... I trust they make them. For 200 yards+/22LR..some elevation flexibility would be useful
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I was looking at the Falcon 4-16 mentioned earlier and now you have me concerned regarding the 30mm tube...
I was also planning on getting the Burris Extrahigh rings due to the scope diameters.
 
rikkards said:
I was looking at the Falcon 4-16 mentioned earlier and now you have me concerned regarding the 30mm tube...
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I don't think the 30mm tube would be an issue on the 452/455. Watch out for the ocular ens size, that's what's going to rub against the bolt handle.

I have a 455 with extra high rings and a scope with approximately 1.72 inch eyepiece diameter, and the handle just barely clears it. It's still very usable.
 
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RideauBound said:
I don't think the 30mm tube would be an issue on the 452/455. Watch out for the objective bell size, that's what's going to rub against the bolt handle.

I have a 455 with extra high rings and a scope with approximately 1.72 inch bell diameter, and the handle just barely clears it. It's still very usable.
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I am getting a Picatinny adapter and was looking at the Burris Signature Zee rings. The Extra High ones are about 1.2" from base to middle of ring (how tall are yours?). The bell is about the same size as yours. The Picatinny adapter adds an extra .23" to the height so I may be able to get away with a High ones
 
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I just checked what I have and my memory was slightly off.

My scope bell is 1.73", my rings are Sportsmatch TO4C. Dimensions are here and explained here.

I am switching to a EGW base and Burris Zee 30mm mediums, which should come out to about the same height after some napkin math.
 
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Search Clayne b on YouTube and here in gunnutz. He did some amazing things with a cz scout. Shot out to 600 yards. Pretty eye opening
 
EGW rail is better than the DIP rail and can also be found on EBay.ca If you are real lucky you can get a leupold 3x9 EFR, stopped production late last year.
 
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