Getting into the world of black rifles

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Revan

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Hello everyone,

I'm pretty new to the whole black rifle idea simply because I'm more of a milsurp guy myself, though I've wanted to pick something up for a long while and just haven't had the extra cash until this point (unfortunate for me). I'm looking at 2 rifles mainly the Bushmaster ACR and the Tavor 21/X95 platform. I was just wondering what the general consensus of these two rifles was? Should I go look for an ACR first since they are no longer in propduction or am I best off grabbing a tavor from my local shop and playing around with that until I can find an ACR? Any and all help would be greatly appreciate and more then welcome, Thanks in advance. Cheers.
 
Armedsask said:
Buy whatever you can as soon as you can.
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This is good advice.

Cant speak to the ACR but I had an X95 and would have one again.

Pros:

1) Very compact
2) Very reliable
3) Feels well built / made
4) X95 trigger is OK out of the box (Geisselle is nicer but at ~$600 its a law of diminishing returns)
5) Has AR15 style controls.
6) Pretty easy to clean (bolt comes out easily which allows easy access with a cleaning rod.
7) Uses Stanag mags.
8) Built in flip up iron sights
9) Side chargring handle.

Cons:

1) Heavier than you'd imagine.
2) Accuracy is OK at best (~3 MOA I'd say) - barrel is skinny and not free floated.
3) I found it to be somewhat of an enigma with regard to accuracy / bullet weight, accuracy did not improve with heavier bullets although in theory it should and I found mine to be a pie plate gun at 100 but I could consistently hit a gong thats only a little bigger at 430 yards.
4) Despite having the AR15 style controls its still quirky and harder to function.
 
Never noticed. What do you mean? Are the prices really good right now?
rambones said:
have you seen the prices of ACR lately? Go buy now!

Have you seen the prices of tavor lately? What are you still doing here. go!
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I just had a quick look on the EE at the prices of some of these rifles

And they're insane! The ACR is priced 3x what it should be, no matter what kind of pixie dust they got on it.

WS-MCR
RBD survival
High Point 9mm carbine
FNAR Competition. <--- the bluest of the black rifles. ;)
SU16 if you can find one

Quality lead sleds in 5.56 are hard to find though, unless you are willing to remortgage yer house to get one
 
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TV-PressPass said:
Welcome to life post ban. Supply has plummeted and demand has only increased.
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Kodiak and Wolverine are still churning out rifles as quickly as they can. Potentially with supply now limited they will be able to justify increasing production on account of limited supply potentially increasing demand on their products.

To the OP.

The ACR and X95 are wildly different beasts, one a designated marksman rifle for engaging targets out to 600m accurately and coming with the corresponding weight/length. The other is designed around short to medium (0-300m) targets and use in tight confined areas, accuracy is correspondingly a lower concern.

The ACR is no longer being made, it has had issues with the quick change barrel (plenty of reviews cover this) and spare parts are now limited to whoever decides to make them (with a corresponding cost).

The X95 is still being made, is very much enjoyed by the US market (more so than the ACR) and so is likely to continue having spare parts and new rifles imported in significant numbers.

As a new entrant to the black rifle world I would point you to the X95 over the ACR, the reason for that is that you'll spend less on a likely more resilient and reliable rifle while achieving reasonable accuracy out to medium ranges.

If you are looking to understand the Black Rifle Market in full there is a thread covering the vast majority of NR black rifles available in Canada
 
I had a Tavor, and loved it, but over the years I found myself preferring my ACR, just because it was a more familiar platform for me compared to what I had used in the past. Both excellent guns quality- and functionality-wise though. I'd happily buy either again.
 
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