getting new shooters hitting at 1000 yards

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On saturday, I managed to get three people hitting a 10" rock at 1030 yards.
It was awsome to see their eyes bulge out with excitement!

One 13 year old boy,his dad and a friend of mine.
It took them 4-5 rounds each, but they all were able to join the 1000 yard club!

Take the young shooters out and get them shooting! its very rewarding!

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Good for them. And you! :)

Don't expect all of CGN to be coming back saying that they can already do that.....

Oh wait, hold on... They do say that :p
 
I got the long range bug this past Jan, at the Media Day at the Range, part of SHOT2012.
I was firing a .375 Cheytac (necked down .416 Cheytac) at 925 yards.
I didnt actually hit my target, but came close enough that the dirt bounced them a bit.
Did I mention the targets were clay pigeons? (thats 108mm or ~4 inch dia !)
Next year, I'm not leaving until I smash one!
 
Awesome! The more young shooters the better! I caught the long range bug about a year ago at 16 using my old Husqvarna .270 at 500 yards. I soon upgraded to a Rem700 with a mark 4 and it's only made the addiction worse :p
 
I had my three grandsons out at the range a few weeks back, ages 7, 9 and 11. I set up the 22-250 and targets @ 200 yds, after they finished arguing abouting who shoots next and 40 rounds of handloads, the 2 oldest boys hit bulls eyes with 5 shot groups under 2" and the youngest well I may have to shorten a stock for him. Now they can't wait for the next range day.
 
Great day taking someone shooting, the smiles say it all.
Come on DT my curious mind wants to know caliber, gun, handloads, cast??
 
Hi Tigrr! Great to see your post!
This was with my Savage110 BA in 300win mag.

My work with cast bullets is on a bit of a delay.
I had a failure on my Lyman lube/sizer, and cant lube and size at the moment.
My job is probably done at the end of the month so I dont want to spend much till I have a good job again.
I am Just ITCHING to do some cast shooting! Lol!
 
I got my kids shooting the Edge early in the game,to get them excited about long range shooting.

They all commented that when someone else built the rifle, tested and retested the ammo, developed the drop charts, dialed elevation and windage for them, and took a few sighters then just left them the task of pulling the trigger a few times on a 17 pound rifle it wasn't particularily hard.
 
Absolutely Dogleg! It isnt as hard as some may think. The hardest part it the load deveopment, firearm development, trajectory card recording, and proving the trajectory values. Conditon learning, target and range aquisition........on and on and on.

But that is where the fun begins! When a shooter learns to do this, thier skills and understanding really improve. Sets the foundation to enjoy this passion for a lifetime!
Hope I can get my sister-in-law to do it as well!

Straight shootin, and keep it fun fellow gunnutz!
 
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at 100 yards with my 223 i can't get below a 2-3" grouping.. i have a bipod, but i don't have a sandbag yet, but i use my left hand to simulate one.. i have a sandbag on order.. will this tighten my groups a lot?! i feel so useless can't i can't get a tight group at 100 yards.
 
at 100 yards with my 223 i can't get below a 2-3" grouping.. i have a bipod, but i don't have a sandbag yet, but i use my left hand to simulate one.. i have a sandbag on order.. will this tighten my groups a lot?! i feel so useless can't i can't get a tight group at 100 yards.

ok this is a hard one with the info you supplied. at 100 yards, 2-3 inch is not bad. try not to beat yourself up about it. thats the first thing that will improve your shooting....confidence.

second, if you want a good grouping. you need good support. depending on your bipod theres no real point putting your left hand on the front of the srock. your bipod is taking the weight of the weapon. so your hand is now acting as a possible shot adjuster as you may be squeezing to tight (muscles are naturally pulling the rifle when you shoot off target without you even realising). instead, put your left hand tucked into your right elbow making a L shape with your hand and thumb. tuck it snug into your elbow. i dont know what bipod you have, but they are only as good as the surface they sit on. if it is a harris (most common) then they are not great for precision accuracy on table shooting/ range. there designed to be used on rough ground and high friction or grip surfaces (gravel,sand,soil which absorbs recoil and steadys the shot) but if used with other shooting techniques properly then they are not bad.

sandbags are a huge improvement. try using one on both the front of your rifle on the stock to let it bed in and snug fit on the sandbag and on the rear of the stock, under your armpit a little and let the rear of the rifle rest on it. this will again, absorb recoil, and make a firm platform for your rifle to sit on and slide back and forth on without breaking your point of aim.

i could go on and on with things you could do to help your shooting. but here are the main ones that i can gaurantee will help you out.

1.relax- dont over think your shot. if your holding your breath for more than 1-2 seconds then your holding for too long. dont hold your breath! this is a strewd misconception of shooting. squeeze the trigger on the natural final point of your exhalation breath. (hard to explain without a diagram)

2- work on handloads- handloads will improve your shooting. ammo makes a huge input into good shooting. it takes time, patience and practice to make a good round that your rifle will like to make those sub MOA shots.

3-Ask others at the range for help!!!- dont be embarrased to ask someone for a bit of coaching. most people are great at my range for helping the new guys. however, avoid the know it alls.....they can be very forceful and telling you to do something thier way instead of just giving you tips. if you dont have a range, look at some online sites that ahve videos etc for tips.

4-CONFIDENCE! - there is no rifle or ammo in the world that will make your shooting ant better if you doubt your shooting skills. pull the trigger and put the round down range. once its gone, its gone theres no judge worse than yourself. if your not getting the results you want, then experiment and practice and stay with a smile on your face :) remember.....your shooting! its fun!

these are just some of my opinions that helped me when i was a new shooter. i was pressured alot in the army to make good shots etc and it just doesnt work. doubting your shooting will make it harder. everyone will point out there own opinions. but these helped me. hope it gets better man!

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^ also make sure that you're propely aligned on your scope. I didn't realize how much it effected the poi until my GF started shooting. I had my 22-250 shooting half in groups about an inch high. She was consistantly getting 3/4" groups half an inch low.
 
Absolutely Dogleg! It isnt as hard as some may think. The hardest part it the load deveopment, firearm development, trajectory card recording, and proving the trajectory values. Conditon learning, target and range aquisition........on and on and on.

But that is where the fun begins! When a shooter learns to do this, thier skills and understanding really improve. Sets the foundation to enjoy this passion for a lifetime!
Hope I can get my sister-in-law to do it as well!

Straight shootin, and keep it fun fellow gunnutz!

That's sort of the way I got going on long range shooting. I was hunting with a buddy who brought an extra suspiciously long guncase along and "accidently" ended up stopping for lunch on a high valley wall with rocks sticking out of the snow here and there. Before I detected his treachery I was popping rocks out past 900 yards and it was too late.:(

Several builds, who knows how many rangefinder upgrades, thousands of match bullets and numerous kegs of powder later the fever hasn't left. I even had to buy my own valley because you can never find one when you need it.

I'll get even if its the last thing I do.:mad:
 
instead, put your left hand tucked into your right elbow making a L shape with your hand and thumb. tuck it snug into your elbow. i dont know what bipod you have, but they are only as good as the surface they sit on. if it is a harris (most common) then they are not great for precision accuracy on table shooting/ range. there designed to be used on rough ground and high friction or grip surfaces (gravel,sand,soil which absorbs recoil and steadys the shot) but if used with other shooting techniques properly then they are not bad.

I've actually being doing that with my left hand.. helps a lot!

and I have the Atlas BT10-LW17 bipod
 
at 100 yards with my 223 i can't get below a 2-3" grouping.. i have a bipod, but i don't have a sandbag yet, but i use my left hand to simulate one.. i have a sandbag on order.. will this tighten my groups a lot?! i feel so useless can't i can't get a tight group at 100 yards.

Find an experienced shooter who can probably sort out your basic technique and equipment issues in a few minutes. Its a heck of a lot easier than learning everything the hard way.
 
at 100 yards with my 223 i can't get below a 2-3" grouping..

Make sure that most of this is due to your shooting technique (in which case, you can work on sorting that out). Make sure your rifle+scope+ammo is able to shoot groups half the size of whatever your own personal accuracy goal is. This might involve getting a known-good shooter to fire your rifle+scope+ammo

^ also make sure that you're propely aligned on your scope. I didn't realize how much it effected the poi until my GF started shooting. I had my 22-250 shooting half in groups about an inch high. She was consistantly getting 3/4" groups half an inch low.

This sounds like the scope's parallax was not dialed out. Most target scopes have an adjustment on the front lens (though most hunting scopes don't), which allows you to "place" the crosshairs in the same plane (at the same distance) as the target, so that if you move your eye position around the crosshairs _won't_ move with respect to the target.

There is a shooting technique you can use if you can't dial out your parallax (you don't know how, or your scope doesn't have a parallax adjustment, or you need to make a quick shot in the field and you don't have the time and setup required to dial out your parallax):

- move your eye forward or backward so that it is either "too close" or "too far" from the scope, so that you only see a "partial" image of the target inside the eyepiece of your scope.

- move your eye position up/down or left/right, in order to centre the "partial image" in the eyepie

- fire the shot

- in this way, you are establishing your eye position exactly centred. Even if your scope's parallax adjustment is not correct, you have just adjusted your eye position to fully and exactly compensate - there will be no parallax effects from shot to shot if you always have your eye in the same position from shot to shot.


I'll get even if its the last thing I do.:mad:

A truly evil person.

A: I do hope you get properly even with him
B: I'd love to meet him, and shoot with the pair of you ;-)
 
A truly evil person.

A: I do hope you get properly even with him
B: I'd love to meet him, and shoot with the pair of you ;-)


My revenge is being prepared as we speak, partly by escalating the arms race..:evil: Just planting little thoughts like "Jeez, these Cheytac cases make those little .338s look puny and inadequite." or " Hey, if you lived at the range you'd be home already", or "There's places with no limit on buffalo."

If you make it out this way look me up.
 
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