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Interesting post but what s with the price hike ? Your stuff is way more than their market value. 2000 for a wk ? Really ?
Getting NORINCO to make a 223 SKS
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How much did an AR-180B go for on retail, like $600? Try and buy one today, at least 3 grand. VZ58's were $5-600 a decade ago, price has more than doubled. I don't know why this happens in Canada, but it does. If the WK starts to drop in price it would be great, but i've never seen a semi-auto red/black gun get cheaper over time in this country.
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As a guy that has done a few off the beaten path projects, I'll say this: You're only limited by your time and money for a one off of your dream project. I know a dude making a 7.62x39 T97 and I just finished an AR upper in 7.62x25. The sky is the limit if you own a lathe and a can do attitude. And have expendable income. Plus you'll learn a lot on the way.
I would not mind a 9mm commander. I think those would sell by the bucket load....say what you will about nork pistols but most of em go bang! My np 22 has almost a 1000 rounds downrange and only one ftf. Also great guns to learn some minor smithing on without breaking the bank.
The Nork pistols have brought many a newcomer into the shooting sports due to economic prices.
As to rifles the sks is a pretty decent rifle for deer/varmits out to 150yds....I don't know of anything cheaper....
The Nork pistols have brought many a newcomer into the shooting sports due to economic prices.
As to rifles the sks is a pretty decent rifle for deer/varmits out to 150yds....I don't know of anything cheaper....
I'll consider anything Norinco builds. I have a 1911 .45 with adjustable rear sight. Accurate and reliable with about 3000 through it. I also have a NZ85B (maybe the best pistol they build). I keep thinking I should move up to a CZ, but with a set of CZ over molded rubber grips on it, it feels so good, shoots so accurately, is so reliable, I can't give it up. This one is getting up to 4000 rounds, and still looks like new inside and out. Trigger smoothed out over the first 200 rounds, and is great on both S/A and D/A. I wish someone was still importing the NP40 (CZ clone in .40 S & W), I bought a Jericho in .40 when I could not find the NP40, and it is a great pistol, but I still like the NZ better.
A 9mm Commander would be great!
The SKS is cheap because they are military surplus from the 40's and 50's, no way to produce anything that cheap these days.
x39 rifles rarely function reliably when converted to 223 anyway so it would be more trouble than it's worth.
If you like the SKS enjoy it the way it is, if you want something in 223 pull out your wallet and buy one, it will be a lot easier and faster than waiting for some pipe dream $300 NR 223 semi.
We need a semi auto non restricted for under $500? I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice if there was a cheaper option but good luck with that. The WK-180 is the cheapest a rifle can be made in North America these days and by the time you let the government, importers and retailers take their cut from something coming out of China you get to the price of a T-81, you will never see a new production non restricted semi auto for under $1000 again, If you can't afford the current options I suggest you get a better job rather than wish for a $500 semi, you'll have a lot better chance getting a better job and it will benefit you in the rest of your life as well.
The only flaw in your price jumping theory is that the AR-180 is a decent rifle made by an American company not a piece of crap made in China rifle. The AR180 was also $600 US 15-20 years ago not yesterday, have you ever heard of inflation? Even if you could still get one for $600 US how much is that once it is converted to Canadian and you pay someone to import it? Yup, getting close to $1000.
I used to own a T-81 and I've handled and shot a few T-97's, they work and are a decent truck gun but they are not built anywhere near as nicely as something made in the US and I doubt that anyone anywhere is ever going to spend $2000 for a T-81 or a WK-180 unless it's black market after the government prohibits all civilian ownership of semi automatic rifles.
The WK180 is never going to be a collectors rifle, it's a cheap entry level rifle and I doubt they will stop making them unless sales drop off to nothing which means the price will probably go down not up.
You are correct though, the US built AR180-B2 rifles have increased in value a little, I bought mine new in 2007 for $1400 CAD (one of the last ones imported) and from what I've seen on the EE I wouldn't sell it for less than $1800, mine is also all original and in mint condition, the ones that have been modified to try to make them more like an AR I wouldn't pay more than $1200 for.
x39 rifles rarely function reliably when converted to 223 anyway so it would be more trouble than it's worth.
If you like the SKS enjoy it the way it is, if you want something in 223 pull out your wallet and buy one, it will be a lot easier and faster than waiting for some pipe dream $300 NR 223 semi.
We need a semi auto non restricted for under $500? I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice if there was a cheaper option but good luck with that. The WK-180 is the cheapest a rifle can be made in North America these days and by the time you let the government, importers and retailers take their cut from something coming out of China you get to the price of a T-81, you will never see a new production non restricted semi auto for under $1000 again, If you can't afford the current options I suggest you get a better job rather than wish for a $500 semi, you'll have a lot better chance getting a better job and it will benefit you in the rest of your life as well.
The only flaw in your price jumping theory is that the AR-180 is a decent rifle made by an American company not a piece of crap made in China rifle. The AR180 was also $600 US 15-20 years ago not yesterday, have you ever heard of inflation? Even if you could still get one for $600 US how much is that once it is converted to Canadian and you pay someone to import it? Yup, getting close to $1000.
I used to own a T-81 and I've handled and shot a few T-97's, they work and are a decent truck gun but they are not built anywhere near as nicely as something made in the US and I doubt that anyone anywhere is ever going to spend $2000 for a T-81 or a WK-180 unless it's black market after the government prohibits all civilian ownership of semi automatic rifles.
The WK180 is never going to be a collectors rifle, it's a cheap entry level rifle and I doubt they will stop making them unless sales drop off to nothing which means the price will probably go down not up.
You are correct though, the US built AR180-B2 rifles have increased in value a little, I bought mine new in 2007 for $1400 CAD (one of the last ones imported) and from what I've seen on the EE I wouldn't sell it for less than $1800, mine is also all original and in mint condition, the ones that have been modified to try to make them more like an AR I wouldn't pay more than $1200 for.
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That's a really good deal, I've never seen one for that cheap for new.
True, unfortunately my tastes call for more expensive rifles to meet my minimum requirements for quality. I've owned cheap ones and I've owned expensive ones and experience has taught me that I don't want the cheapest gun I can get just because it's price is lower.
I own a Kriss Vector in 9mm (owned and sold two gen 1 Vectors as well) and an FX-9, both of which I like a lot. I like the FX-9 because it's most like an AR and is light weight but the Vector has so far been a more reliable firearm. I've owned a bunch of others and even the cheap POS Kel-Tec Sub-2000 was a decent rifle for what it was once I had 500 rounds through it and it's reliability improved.
I'd love to try one of the new SIG MPX 9mm's but they are a little more than I want to spend on a PCC.
So far though of all the PCC's I've owned or shot my old HK USC (with 9 inch barrel) was the best made, most reliable, and just plain nicest to shoot of them all. Unfortunately they are limited to 5 rounds which kinda sucks in a gun you bought to shoot high volumes of cheap ammo in.
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