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358 BLR said:
I agree with the need to be cautious, and to that end just seeing someones PAL card does not necessarily mean it is a valid PAL - it may have been revoked for one reason,
or another. A quick call to the CFC and they can quickly tell you if it is a valid PAL or not. Which is important when you are selling non-restricted firearms and would like to
remain on the right side of the law.
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Exactly.. and to check with them requires a full name and date of birth and PAL number and you also must provide your same information or they will not validate anything.
 
Fassteel said:
Why wouldn't he?
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9mms2k said:
I don't believe you need a pal to sell a firearm... By my reading of the current laws I'm not obligated to check the purchasers license. A scan is fine by me.
You don't need the sellers date of birth, pal number, a permission slip from their mom or middle name.
If you don't feel comfortable having a phone call with me then I guess you don't buy from me. I'm not giving out my info to sell something. Why? Because it's an easy way to get ripped off or scammed... And here's how it goes. Johnny the coke dealer needs a new heater. He goes online and finds an ad for a glock 17. Oh look, the seller lists his location as Wally World.... Well that's just a few short blocks from Johnny the coke dealers place. Johnny the coke dealer sends the seller a message requesting all the information "gun tech" suggested... The seller being the honest gun owner complies and sends Johnny the coke dealer all the info he's requested. Johnny the coke dealer hops in his ride and stakes out the house. Honest gun dealer heads off to work. Johnny beaks in and helps himself.
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See my post above for one of many reasons.
 
guntech said:
Who gives a crap about your family tree...
No one is starting a registry you so bravely fought against.

I believe only executors require no license to possess firearms they are legally disposing of in a timely manner. Police and military off duty are no different than regular citizens and require a license if they possess firearms or wish to acquire them.

I would not buy or sell a firearm from anyone if they will not provide proof of a license... the exception would be an executor... and proof of that is easily provided. Talking on the phone is not proof of much.
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You won't be buying from me. As I said, I'm willing to provide my full name and phone number. Nobody needs my date of birth to buy anything, guns included, from me.

Ps. You seem to be pretty upset. Anger issues?
 
 
To bring this to an end. Call the RCMP Firearms Section for the ruling. They are most likely reading this anyway. I seem to recall
that it was full name and PAL number. Address does not seem to be an issue because a rifle in't registered. People work at "Fort
Mac" for example, and buy stuff, but they don't live there.
 
9mms2k said:
You won't be buying from me. As I said, I'm willing to provide my full name and phone number. Nobody needs my date of birth to buy anything, guns included, from me.

Ps. You seem to be pretty upset. Anger issues?
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No anger issues here. Possible frustration at the paranoia out there...

Over the internet I would not be buying anything from you (or anyone else) without proof of a valid PAL. Just a name and phone number does not provide that proof and the firearm center will not verify a license without date of birth...
 
I see nothing wrong with getting a name address & phone number. Talking to someone for a minute can answer a lot of questions and make a smooth easy transaction.
 
guntech said:
No anger issues here. Possible frustration at the paranoia out there...

Over the internet I would not be buying anything from you (or anyone else) without proof of a valid PAL. Just a name and phone number does not provide that proof and the firearm center will not verify a license without date of birth...
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Once again, you don't need a pal to sell a firearm.... It only stands to reason a purchaser has no need to see or confirm the vendors pal.
It seems you don't know what phishing is...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing

The title of this thread is misleading. Are you looking for ways to safe guard against getting ripped off or play Internet police. What is it you care about, getting what you bought or making sure everybody has a gun license?
Magellann said:
I see nothing wrong with getting a name address & phone number. Talking to someone for a minute can answer a lot of questions and make a smooth easy transaction.
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Name, address and phone number is fine. Asking somebody SELLING a gun for their birthdate is way over the top.
 
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9mms2k said:
Once again, you don't need a pal to sell a firearm.... It only stands to reason a purchaser has no need to see or confirm the vendors pal.
It seems you don't know what phishing is...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing

The title of this thread is misleading. Are you looking for ways to safe guard against getting ripped off or play Internet police. What is it you care about, getting what you bought or making sure everybody has a gun license?

Name, address and phone number is fine. Asking somebody SELLING a gun for their birthdate is way over the top.
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Totally agree
 
Ease up there Junior.
Your newbieness is showing.

Guntech is offering some splendid advice for those not keen on
doing internet moolah/goods swapping.

There has been a few good deals lately on the EE I chose to drool
over rather than leap in with due respect to the seller's lack of
credentials.
I scolded meself, but I just didn't need the anxiety.



9mms2k said:
Once again, you don't need a pal to sell a firearm.... It only stands to reason a purchaser has no need to see or confirm the vendors pal.
It seems you don't know what phishing is...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing

The title of this thread is misleading. Are you looking for ways to safe guard against getting ripped off or play Internet police. What is it you care about, getting what you bought or making sure everybody has a gun license?

Name, address and phone number is fine. Asking somebody SELLING a gun for their birthdate is way over the top.
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kamlooky said:
Ease up there Junior.
Your newbieness is showing.

Guntech is offering some splendid advice for those not keen on
doing internet moolah/goods swapping.
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Do tell, how is my "newbieness" showing?

No, gun tech is offering poor advice. Look up phishing or click on the link I provided... There is no reason for a vendor to provide the information he has listed. In fact only a fool would send that info to any and all prospective buyers.
 
Jmiverson said:
... Phone call goes a looonng way in a deal.
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Bingo!!!

One more interesting tidbit. I was ripped off online. I had the guys information, full name, address, phone number, the whole bit. Guess what the police said, "sorry sir, it's a civil matter we won't even get involved."
My point is, a vendor would be foolish to send out that info to any old prospective purchaser... And a purchaser can't do much with the information anyways.
 
9mms2k said:
Once again, you don't need a pal to sell a firearm.... It only stands to reason a purchaser has no need to see or confirm the vendors pal.
It seems you don't know what phishing is...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing

The title of this thread is misleading. Are you looking for ways to safe guard against getting ripped off or play Internet police. What is it you care about, getting what you bought or making sure everybody has a gun license?

Name, address and phone number is fine. Asking somebody SELLING a gun for their birthdate is way over the top.
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You may not need a PAL to sell a firearm but you need it to possess that firearm you are selling. I care about who I am dealing with and if they are not licensed I don't care to deal with them online.

Actually this thread doesn't have anything to do with you or those who don't want to supply proof of a valid PAL. It more for those who want to make sure they are dealing with a licensed individual and to have some valid information if the deal is crooked.

If you read the first post it is suggested:

Before any money exchanges hands, the exchange of both seller and buyer information should take place:

Full name and date of birth
Address and phone number and email address
PAL number

With that info you can call in and verify the legitimacy of the license and address.

It would not guarantee you will not get scammed but you have some valid information to supply the police with.

I have absolutely no problem exchanging that information. I am not paranoid that it will cause a problem. I know all about phishing.
 
Since when does someone selling a firearm not need a PAL or POL to possess it . . . legally?
If either is not in his possession or he is unwilling to supply that information . . . warning sign"!
When a deal is to good to be true it probably is . . . or isn't.
 
Jmiverson said:
You DO NOT need a date of birth to verify a PAL's validity. I have no problems providing any other info. Phone call goes a looonng way in a deal.
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Wrong. Why would you say that? Obviously you have never phoned in to verify a PAL.

You phone in and they confirm your identity first (if you are not licensed it ends right there) and then you have to supply the name and date of birth and PAL number you want to verify... I have never been able to get a verification by name and number only... and it is the full name they want too... not just part of it.
 
... And there we have it. This thread has nothing to do with not getting scammed. This is just so gun tech can play Internet cop... Get a life. If a guys license expired or he has an old cooey from the fac days he wants to sell I could care less if he has some stupid card.

Gun tech,
It seems you're from bc. Maybe your time would be better spent down at the lake making sure everybody has a pleasure craft operators cards. I mean, my god, think of what could be done in a 12' Lund with a 4.4 and no license....THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
 
horseman2 said:
Since when does someone selling a firearm not need a PAL or POL to possess it . . . legally?
If either is not in his possession or he is unwilling to supply that information . . . warning sign"!
When a deal is to good to be true it probably is . . . or isn't.
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You've never needed a pal to sell a firearm.
 
guntech said:
It's the first thing I do is to supply my info and request theirs.

If you want to know who you are legally selling a gun to, don't you think the buyer has the the right to know who he is legally buying a gun from?

Way too much paranoia in the gun world... I think we all would be better off if it was a requirement to fill out your profiles with all your information instead of hiding behind aliases.
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I agree if all is legit then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. I bought of here and I said you want my info then I want yours and the seller had no problem doing this. Cover your a$$.
Cheers
Geoff
 
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