Gewehr 98 cartridge

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Hi all, very simply question about the Gewehr 98 (German WWI service rifle) cartridge. It seems that the Patrone S cartridge used by the Imperial German Army was only a shade over 150g, while modern 8mm is 196 or so. Could I fire a modern 8mm JS cartridge in a Gewehr 98?

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The original load for the Gew. 98 had a 154-grain slug leaving at 2882 ft/sec MV. Pressure was actually quite low, running at 17.5 Imperial Long Tons (39,200 PSI).

The low pressure was a function of reasonable performance. advanced powder technology and a large-diameter slug. The American .30-'06 of the same period had a 150-grain slug at 2700 ft/sec...... and 50,000 psi coming from a longer casing loaded with very-fast Pyro powder.

The 196-grain loading for the Mauser actually was the WW1 anti-TANK loading and originally was restricted to Maxim Guns, which had a VERY solid locking mechanism. The ammo percolated through the German military and proved not to be hazardous in the Gew 98 rifle..... and so was adopted as the new standard when serious re-armament was introduced in the mid-1930s. Development of the WW2 standards, the SmE (Ball) and the SmK (AP), both with their steel cores, 178-grain weight and reduced thirst for lead, enabled Germany to continue producing vast quantities of small-arms ammo until the final days of the War.

I think it is fair to say that any 7.92x57 ammo you are likely to run into will be safe in a Gew. 98.
 
Cartridge Charge Bullet form Bullet weight Velocity (Vo)

“S” = 98 = 3.2 g = short concave arched base = 10.2 grams = 895 m/s = 2936 ft/sec
“sS” = 98 = 2.85 grams = long torpedo shape = 12.8 grams = 785 m/s = 2575 ft/sec
Barrel lengths, 740mm = 29.13”

The “sS’ cartridge was adopted in 1918 as a long range machine gun cartridge and was the standard issue cartridge of WW2.

The following is a very good write up of German ammunition.

https://ammunitionstore.com/content/7.92×57mm Mauser.pdf

The Germans, like the Americans found out that their light 150 grain ammunition, did not have the long range of the heaver British 174 grain and French 198 grain ammunition for machine gun barrages ( indirect fire ).

The heavy machine gun were set up in batteries, like artillery, to deny an area to the enemy.

The Vickers was used for indirect fire against enemy positions at ranges up to 4,500 yards (4,100 m). This plunging fire was used to great effect against road junctions, trench systems, forming up points, and other locations that might be observed by a forward observer, or zeroed in at one time for future attacks, or guessed at by men using maps and experience.

From; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_machine_gun

The Americans adopted the M-1 172 grain bullet to extend the range of their machine guns, and went back to the M-2 150 grain bullet because of the danger the 172 grain bullet present at the military ranges, so one source claims.
 
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