Wow, you still schlerrrrrpin bewze wid yer amis?
It's the same, but only diffrint……………………………………………………….
Ghost loading while waterfowl hunting.
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Wow, you still schlerrrrrpin bewze wid yer amis?
It's the same, but only diffrint……………………………………………………….
The answer is there's no definitive answer because the question hasn't been ruled on in court yet, AFAIK. By the wording, no, you could not be convicted unless your shotgun held more than two rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. Clearly, the law did not contemplate floating a round when it was written. It's an easy oversight to fix up in legislation, if it came to that.
So, by the letter of the law is it legal? Yes. Is it reasonable that some CO may not see it that way and let the court decide? Yes. Could you have to spend many thousands of dollars and many months winning the point? Yes. If not illegal, is it against the intent and the spirit of the migratory bird regs? Yes. Is it unsporting to bend game laws and exploit technical loopholes to gain an unfair advantage? Yes. Is it far too much trouble anyway, and likely much much less fun in a wet blind with freezing fingers than it is on the range? I would strongly suspect that's a yes too.
Pretty much sums up the topic to me.
What was the first shotgun capable of reliably floating a round anyway?
So, by the letter of the law is it legal? Yes. Is it reasonable that some CO may not see it that way and let the court decide? Yes. Could you have to spend many thousands of dollars and many months winning the point? Yes. If not illegal, is it against the intent and the spirit of the migratory bird regs? Yes. Is it unsporting to bend game laws and exploit technical loopholes to gain an unfair advantage? Yes. Is it far too much trouble anyway, and likely much much less fun in a wet blind with freezing fingers than it is on the range? I would strongly suspect that's a yes too.
Pretty much sums up the topic to me.
What was the first shotgun capable of reliably floating a round anyway?
It's illegal , why even try to do it if you can't legally use it in the field ?
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This sums up my thoughts.
Anyone who shot a 4th in my group of friends would be walking back to the truck in a hurry whether there was a loophole or not.
The Beretta 302, and the Browning B80 can be ghost loaded.
I grew up in Saskatchewan, and this is copied and pasted from a previous edition of the Saskatchewan Hunting Guide. The wording is why some people get the idea that ghost loading is a loophole..
http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/Default.aspx?DN=2a5dfe9f-6442-4667-ad59-253883e8b8e2
Unlike in other provinces, they only mention the magazine being plugged, not the total capacity of the shotgun.It is poor wording on the part of the people printing the guide.
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Because lots of shooting happens outside of the hunting season, which if I had to guess is why someone had the idea to try it. It has more of a practical use in shooting sports, same with magazine tube extensions or anything that allows you an extra shell or quick loading of a shell such as a Matchsaver.
Like I said if I need an extra shot or two while hunting I’ll port load, it’s legal and fast and I’m not screwing around with loading a round on the lifter.
Well there you go. Now that you mention Beretta, I think the 1301 as well. Heck, you can ghost load a Rem 870 too, if you work at it hard enough.
Seems bang on to me. They could have mentioned the chamber, but I'm hard pressed to think of a shotgun with two magazines and two chambers, except the DP 12? Now there's a pickle - the law states magazine and chamber in the singular... what if you have two of each on the same gun?
If it was cleaned up to read as below, it would prohibit ghost loading.
+1 to this
If you need to 'ghost/carrier load' or do anything else that goes against the spirit of the law to give the birds some kind of chance, GTFO.
If you need more than 3 rounds to get your targets, go and practice more before any actual hunt.
If you like to sky bust, GTFO and give us your rounds instead.
Are you in that big of a hurry to have the hunt done you need to break the law? Do you think you will hit much on that forth shot? We are out for fun and fellowship, I often will look over at the other blinds and a couple will be running video. The kill is not the quest.
This is for big, small land animals, not migratory waterfowl
I used a Remmy 1100 for 3 Gun for several years. Ghost loaded it for almost every stage of every match...Never had a jam in that gun. Have done it successfully in many others too.
Lol...It’s been going on for years in action shooting. I’ve even heard water Fowler’s in the US refer to it as “floating the 4th” so it’s already common knowledge. I doubt this thread will result in disarmament....They are already working on that.
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This is the actual B.C. synopsis page and it covers any and all hunting with a shotgun, waterfowl included. If hunting with shot you plug to 2+1, if you’re using slugs you may hunt unplugged. So if you want to get technical ghost loading is legal in B.C. if you are hunting with slugs but then again a mag tube extension would be as well, it would give you more shells overall than ghost loading if that’s what your after.
Ive been stopped while hunting at my truck. I had a sxs and a rifle on my tailgate. Thought it was the landowner coming up but it was a co. We had a good talk and he noticed a had 2" shells with me for my old 2.5" chambered gun. I said with the price of gas to make it worth the 5 squirrels i brought my rimfire rifle with me if i couldnt get my limit with my black powder reloads he got a laugh. I asked him straight up about loading 2" shells in my pump thats chambered for 3.5" shells. I told him i could slip an extra shell in the mag his answer was even if i saw that i rely on my plug gauge. If it reads as plugged thats what we go by. He then asked if i had tried the mini shells that 1 3/4 in length. He told me he checked a guy that had 4 in the tube mag and 1 at the pipe and was still legally plugged as a 2+1 gun.
In ontario shotguns must be plugged to 2 of any ammo listed on the data stamp. Obviously only 1 can be in the chamber so you meet the definition of law by having a legal plug to reduce the mag tube to 2 rounds.
I hunt mostly with doubles and couldnt be bothered ghosting a 4th round because id rather skip the scenario of having to dissassemble my gun while in my kayak to clear any jam if one occured. My berettas run flawlessly when loaded traditionally.
In ontario shotguns must be plugged to 2 of any ammo listed on the data stamp. Obviously only 1 can be in the chamber so you meet the definition of law by having a legal plug to reduce the mag tube to 2 rounds.
I hunt mostly with doubles and couldnt be bothered ghosting a 4th round because id rather skip the scenario of having to dissassemble my gun while in my kayak to clear any jam if one occured. My berettas run flawlessly when loaded traditionally.
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By the time you fire the 3rd shot, that flock of geese is long gone Charlie.....
