Glass vials for individual BP charges

HomeDepot has water testing sample bottles for free but if you grab a bunch, I'm sure that's not going to go over well. lol

LeeValley has shop storage tubes in different sizes.

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Sorry Tacfoley, I confused you with Easyrider. It was a balmy -1 at the range this morning here on the wet coast of British Columbia so it's not too cold here either.

Easyrider, I would like to shoot at Ottawa too. Just to shoot with guys like Dave Gullo and Frank Monikowski. I think there is a lot to be learned.

How do you find the Pedersoli Gibbs rifle for accuracy? I was reading a little about it recently in a back issue of the Black Powder Cartridge News.

I think if I ever get into muzzleloading I'd want to buy one of the old slug guns like they used to shoot in the old National Rifle Club matches. I was looking at a very heavy Billinghurst match rifle a while ago, but it was set up for picket bullets and I'd rather go with a cross patched setup.

I would recommend going the match even if you think you are not quite ready. I put off shooting at the Heffley Creek silhouette and long range gong matches for years because I felt like waiting until I was just a little bit better. I'm glad I started to go. I'm going to a schuetzen match this spring in Tacoma and I'm definitely not ready yet :).

Chris.

I hear ya, Chris. Add Lee Shaver to that list of excellent shooters that go to Ottawa.
As for the Gibbs, I'm sure it will outshoot me, but it is taking me a while to get there. I Have owned it for about a year and a half, but for most of that time, life sort of got in the road of really getting busy with it. I retired last spring, rented some of the farm out, and planned on spending the summer shooting and riding my bike, but you know how it is. Others hear that you have all of this time on your hands, and figure it's their job to fill that time. I finally got all that done, but then elk season happened, blaah blaah blaah, finally been doing some work with Mr. Gibbs the last couple of weeks. I started out with an adjustable mold from Boomers Bullets Molds in Regina, and while it was a pain in the ass because of the adjustable feature, I did get it working pretty good, and learned that there is not much advantage to hollow based bullets. At least not enough to justify the aggravation. Finally, I got Leo, (Boomer's) to make me a regular flat based, base pour, paper jacketed mold, 540 grains. It worked excellent as far as casting went, but drove me crazy trying to get it to group. Today I decided that the bullets it casts are too long for the 1/18 twist rate, so I took it (a perfectly good custom made mold), and put it in my lathe, and turned 1/10 of an inch off the base end of it. I cast up a couple of dozen just now, and plan to patch them tonight, and shoot some minute of angle targets tomorrow! Stay tuned. If that doesn't work, the mold goes back in the lathe for another 50/1000" haircut. lol When I was shooting with the shorter bullets a few months ago, I could manage the odd 1.5 moa target, which I would be quite happy with.
As for what ML rifle to buy, all I can say is that the Gibbs is a lot of rifle for the money. You can easily spend twice as much, and may or may not have a better shooter. One that I'd take a hard look at is Lee Shaver's Ferris Creedmore rifle. It is based on an American built rifle used in the Creedmore matches against the Brits and their Gibbs and Rigby rifles. I hear good things, it is a true custom rifle, and Lee actually uses one to shoot in international matches.
As for Ottawa, I haven't ruled it out yet. I am determined to get this right, but my wife and I leave soon for warmer climes for the winter, so I won't get any shooting done again until April.
 
Glen if you are heading south for warmth and taking a RV check out this place ....Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix, Arizona .They have RV parking and you might bump into some shooters from Sask and Ontario. If anything go there and watch some of the matches. They are all posted on their web sight.
 
In te article that Steve Garbe wrote, he also said that it was a lot of gun for the money. How long is that bullet of yours? Kenny Wasserberger advised me that my 1.51" 540gr patched Money bullet would be stable in my 1:18 twist .45-110 to 1000 yards as long as the powder charge was heavy enough. I don't know how stable it truly is as the only long range I've shot with it was at the Heffley Creek gongs ( 500m, 600m, 700m, and 800m ). It seems to work well there. That's with a 105gr Fg powder charge and the bullet is cast in 16:1. I have a shorter patched Money bullet ( 1.47" IIRC ) and it seems to group well at 500m out of a .45-70 with 82gr of Goex FFg Express. My main problems are that I tend to throw the occasional, and sometimes not so occasional, horizontal flyer.

Chris.
 
Can always look up online to make nitrocellulose and then ya dont have to worry to much about burning paper in dry grass at the range.
 
In te article that Steve Garbe wrote, he also said that it was a lot of gun for the money. How long is that bullet of yours? Kenny Wasserberger advised me that my 1.51" 540gr patched Money bullet would be stable in my 1:18 twist .45-110 to 1000 yards as long as the powder charge was heavy enough. I don't know how stable it truly is as the only long range I've shot with it was at the Heffley Creek gongs ( 500m, 600m, 700m, and 800m ). It seems to work well there. That's with a 105gr Fg powder charge and the bullet is cast in 16:1. I have a shorter patched Money bullet ( 1.47" IIRC ) and it seems to group well at 500m out of a .45-70 with 82gr of Goex FFg Express. My main problems are that I tend to throw the occasional, and sometimes not so occasional, horizontal flyer.
Chris.
Hi, Chris, I have been frigging around with a variety of bullets. I started out with an adjustable paper patched bullet, with a maximum length of about 1.3", with the option of flat or hollow base. It shot pretty good at that length, with either flat or hollow base. The adjustable mold is a pain in the ass, though, so I had a plain PP mold made, but heavier and longer bullet, 1.45", 540 grains. It shot very erratically, often tumbling. I have been shooting 85-100 grains of 1.5f Swiss. Larger charges kick more, but do not seem to improve accuracy. I finally put the nice custom mold in my lathe, and shortened it to 1.33", 500 grains, and it seems to shoot ok, but I am having fliers as well. I have narrowed the cause down to one of two things...I may not be getting the bore clean enough between shots, or I may have a problem with patches remaining stuck to the bullet after it leaves the muzzle. My last session, I shot 5 shots (after a fouling shot). The first 3 were a nice ragged hole at 50 yards, then 2 fliers. That made me wonder about a cleaning problem, in that a build up of fouling may have caused the 2 fliers, after 3 nice ones. But then, upon examining some patched bullets, I discovered that the patches were stuck fairly tight to the bullets, caused, I think, by having a bit of lube residue from running the bullets through a sizing die. That could certainly cause patches to remain stuck to the bullet after leaving the muzzle, which would in turn cause fliers.
I mentioned that I resize the bullets. That has been the only way I could get a perfect fit. I sent a couple of molds back to Leo because they were not right. In the end, I made my own sizing die, and that has been the solution to that problem. Bullet diameter is perfect, and very consistent.
I forgot to mention that a CGN friend sent me some grease grooved bullets when I first got the rifle, and I tried them, with varying success. One type that he sent were longer, 1.45", 540 grains, and they tumbled. The others were shorter, about 1.25, I think, and they shot pretty good.
Here's a link to the Greenhill formula for calculating twist rate. http://kwk.us/twist.html It seems to support my observations, that 1.33" is close to the max length for a .44 cal bullet at 1300 fps.
I cannot solve the problems until spring. The Bride and I are in Oceanside, CA, for the winter, and the rifle is at home. My focus has changed from shooting to surfing, for 3 months. Hang loose, Dude!! (I will be following CGN)
 
Easyrider, spending some time down south sounds like a fine idea. It's actually warm here, but generally soaking wet. I hope to shoot a few different loads over the chronograph tomorow if the range is no fogged in :)

I have no experience with muzzleloaders, but when I get bad accuracy with paper patched bullets it's usually a bad seal ( the bullet doesn't bump up fast enough and the bullet gets gas cut. The usual symptoms I find are bullets that won't stay on paper at any distance. Wads can often fix that. I just went though that with my new 1:16 twist .45-90 with Dan Theodore's PP chamber. It shoots extremely well with a lube cookie. I tried loads with a single LDPE wad and it gas cut the bullet and leaded the bore. It took a few hours of scrubbing with tight patches and Kroil to get the lead out. Adding a second wad and accuracy is excellent :).

I imagine muzzleloaders are a bit different, but have you considered including a lubed felt wad under the bullet? I have heard of some slug gun shooters ( very heavy target rifles, not modern shotguns ) claiming they are a necessity in their rifles for top accuracy.

Btw, Steve Garbe and his friend Dan have the Wyoming Schuetzen Union forums working again. Steve Garbe has the same rifle as you and probably has some good advice.

Chris.
 
I have not tried anything other than a card wad, although I do have some 1/2" thick Wonder Wad fibre wads, that are soaked in some sort of lube. May have to give them a try when I get home.
You talk about gas cutting...how do you know you have gas cutting? Do you have a bullet catcher?
I may try a grease groove mold when I get home. Lots of guys turn their noses up at PP bullets, but I really like the idea of paper, if I can get them to shoot consistently. I really want to spend a week or so seriously working on the thing before I go there, though. I am still pretty convinced that I can make this bullet work, if I hang in there.
As for getting some sun in California, it is absolutely the thing to do. Wind chill was -46 when we left Manitoba on Sunday. It's +73f here today. I went surfing for the first time in 2015 this afternoon, and I am currently nursing some bruises and stiff muscles. At some point I may have to admit that I am too old for this s**t, but not yet!!!! Birthday #61 next week, might be able to hang 10 for a few more :)
 
I don't have a bullet catching box, but would definitely build one if I had a private range. At my range we have a big sand berm behind the targets. It's really obvious where they are hitting by the fresh disturbances in the sand and they are usually only 6 or 8 inches deep in the sand so I recover them from time to time. The gas cutting is really obvious as you can see little grooves usually right near the impressions from the lands.

I'm sure you'll be able to make them work. I'm betting a wad change will help. Only one of my rifles works well with just a thin card wad.

Have fun surfing. That's something I've never tried. It must be extra fun when you know how cold it is back home :)

Chris.
 
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I found these at the local Dollarama. They should be suitable. 199 grains of ffg. That's enough for anybody.


 
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Ebay. Bought a bunch of capped plastic test tubes. I think the guys user name is GODLIVESTOSAVE Aside from the free sermon he includes I the envelope, they are a great deal.
 
I went to our local dollarama and found lots in the craft isle ,the corks sit a little deep but work great .I will take the vials to wholesale sports or cabbalas and find a shot shell case that will hold a whole bunch I will post pictures tomorrow.


I found these at the local Dollarama. They should be suitable. 199 grains of ffg. That's enough for anybody.


 
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