Global supply of surplus 7.62x39 ammunition

Actually, I was talking about the cases of military surplus. Right now they have a crate of 1100 on for $449 ($100 off).
05RAV said:
What Cabela's puts on sale is very modern Norinco 7.62x39mm ammo produced in 2019, 2020 and 2021. So-called "red box ammo" (it used to be a "white box"). It is 100% non-corrosive and has nothing to do with "surplus". The price in Cabela's comes to 56 cents/round which is not as cheap as it used to be but still reasonable. The "red box" rounds are 100% reliable in an SKS or a bolt-action, long gun chambered for a 7.62x39mm round like, for instance, my Ruger American Ranch. It is not very accurate ammo, rather passable accuracy. I miss very much Barnaul ammo which I liked very much. Much more accurate than a "red box" one. Damn sanctions on Russia!
I've already bought about 3,000 of these Norinco "red box" rounds from Cabela's. So, as long as Norinco can sell reasonable quantities of this ammo in Canada I don't expect any "drying up". A number of other firearm dealers also sells the same Norinco ammo in this country. I'm sure that there will be still demand for Norinco ammo in Canada into the foreseeable future.
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China is no better than anywhere as these days. It's been said by the importers themselves that the landed cost is just as high or higher for new production ammunition.
 
B said:
China is no better than anywhere as these days. It's been said by the importers themselves that the landed cost is just as high or higher for new production ammunition.
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When i look at Corrosive Surplus at $0.40/rd and Non-Corrosive new production at $0.50/rd i ask myself why id buy Surplus?

It seems that the Surplus has had the biggest price jump (was $0.25 not too long ago).
 
Who knows to be honest. I remember 10-15 years ago dealers at bigger gun shows saying things like "this is it, it's drying up buy now!" Or " don't know if we can get anymore".
 
When I was shooting a lot it would be easy for me to burn through a crate of surplus. I decided to start stacking crates whenever I saw a sale, bought many from Canadammo in their heyday. My ambition was to have enough stacked up to be able to shoot for decades. I never met that goal but made a good try.

And then health issues hit and now my pile of ammo looks like it will last the rest of my shooting life and the family members who will inherit it
 
Jmcc said:
When i look at Corrosive Surplus at $0.40/rd and Non-Corrosive new production at $0.50/rd i ask myself why id buy Surplus?

It seems that the Surplus has had the biggest price jump (was $0.25 not too long ago).
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i think all including it was more 30 cents a round and now the non corrosive like barnaul or sb were more 1 dollar a round before all gone .. i do think i got enough barnaul for a while and enough corrosive ammo just in case too but who knows what is next ...

the 223/5.56 was easier to find especially if you do not shoot russian or chinese in this specific caliber ...
 
Just seeing this topic caused me too research many of the sponsors. I found Reliable is advertising Romanian Corrosive Surp for $6.99/box, however the shipping cost makes it sorta pricey. If you're in that area it might behoove you to pick some up - 0.35 + tax. I have a small stash of older Romanian "Red Stripe" I'm holding because it was very accurate for me in my sks. And years ago Ganderite tested both Red-Stripe and No-stripe Rom, along with many other flavours, in a good 'test barrel' ( in Stickies). I plan to test it in my RAR soon.
05RAV ( or others) - Have you used any in your RAR ? I've bought a couple cases of the Chinese (ca $0.44/rnd) and find it's pretty accurate (by my simple standards-1-2MOA) at 100 and 180 yds. I have some Barnaul SP (old stock ca $0.60/rnd) that does slightly better at both distances, too. 180 is the max at the range I use, but the SP or the Chinese is accurate out to there. So far, No restrictions on Bi-metal bullets of any sort.
 
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RightWingIndian said:
Who knows to be honest. I remember 10-15 years ago dealers at bigger gun shows saying things like "this is it, it's drying up buy now!" Or " don't know if we can get anymore".
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Those same words were being stated long before the 7.62x39 surplus came onto the market about 30-06/7.62Nato/303Brit/45acp and a long list of others.

In truth, those words were quite prophetic, once the UN Small Arms Treaty came into effect and many of the nations with large stocks of the ammunition and firearms destroyed them, or sold them to the US/UK for eventual destruction.

Many of the nations that supply the present supply of 7.62x39 have either destroyed their stockpiles or sold it off into the Middle East. That doesn't mean there still aren't tons of it available, at much higher prices.

My first pallet, 140K rounds of 7.62x39 cost me $2700, delivered to my doorstep. I just had to help the driver unload it with his pallet jack.

That's right, $27 per 1400 round case.

It's much more expensive now, even at the wholesale level and it's going to get more expensive.

At the last Kamloops gunshow, I got well over a thousand dollars for an 800 round crate of 7.92x57JS that was at least 50+ years old and when word got around, I was approached by at least 20 people asking for more. I wish I had more.
 
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What Cabela's puts on sale is very modern Norinco 7.62x39mm ammo produced in 2019, 2020 and 2021. So-called "red box ammo" (it used to be a "white box"). It is 100% non-corrosive and has nothing to do with "surplus". The price in Cabela's comes to 56 cents/round which is not as cheap as it used to be but still reasonable. The "red box" rounds are 100% reliable in an SKS or a bolt-action, long gun chambered for a 7.62x39mm round like, for instance, my Ruger American Ranch. It is not very accurate ammo, rather passable accuracy. I miss very much Barnaul ammo which I liked very much. Much more accurate than a "red box" one. Damn sanctions on Russia!
I've already bought about 3,000 of these Norinco "red box" rounds from Cabela's. So, as long as Norinco can sell reasonable quantities of this ammo in Canada I don't expect any "drying up". A number of other firearm dealers also sells the same Norinco ammo in this country. I'm sure that there will be still demand for Norinco ammo in Canada into the foreseeable future.
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chutch said:
Actually, I was talking about the cases of military surplus. Right now they have a crate of 1100 on for $449 ($100 off).
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O.K. You didn't specify what ammo you were talking about in your original post. The red box ammo I referred to is also periodically on sale in Cabela's even more frequently than surplus. For me, that corrosive surplus for $449 is not an option. In Ontario, with an HST it comes to 46c/round. That's a bit too much for corrosive ammo. I agree with the others that x39 surplus will be gone, most likely, in a relatively short time. But like I mentioned in my previous post (#18), I believe that we will still have plenty of modern plinking Chinese ammo in 7.62x39mm caliber for the foreseeable future. Anyway, I don't shoot surplus in my bolt action modern rifles. Just shoot it in an SKS.
 
I can't see it disappearing. Yes eventually like all things surplus ammo disappears. But it's chambered in enough rifles in north America to keep the big Ammo manufacturers pumping out different ammo for it. And with the Ruger American ranch being chambered in it, it's had a renewed use as a hunting rifle cartridge.
 
My thoughts.
There will most likely be decent supply .
The loominig issue may be ......will Canadian shooters be allowed to have access to certain ammunition....due to Liberal government impossed non-importation rules (in the name of public safety of course!).
 
my thinking is buy all you can afford in the coming months.
The fall snap election everyone was hoping for did not appear. That means we have the despot king and his shhitcanery till 2025......
I wouldn't be surprised if that minister jolie starts banning importation of certain ammo next.... like 9mm, 223/556 and x39
if I can think of it, they have already thought of it so ya..... buy it now because who knows what these scumbags will do next.
The complete ban of civillian held firearms is thier goal.... it's no secret and what good is a gun if there is no ammo to put in it?
 
bearhunter said:
Those same words were being stated long before the 7.62x39 surplus came onto the market about 30-06/7.62Nato/303Brit/45acp and a long list of others.

In truth, those words were quite prophetic, once the UN Small Arms Treaty came into effect and many of the nations with large stocks of the ammunition and firearms destroyed them, or sold them to the US/UK for eventual destruction.

Many of the nations that supply the present supply of 7.62x39 have either destroyed their stockpiles or sold it off into the Middle East. That doesn't mean there still aren't tons of it available, at much higher prices.

My first pallet, 140K rounds of 7.62x39 cost me $2700, delivered to my doorstep. I just had to help the driver unload it with his pallet jack.

That's right, $27 per 1400 round case.

It's much more expensive now, even at the wholesale level and it's going to get more expensive.

At the last Kamloops gunshow, I got well over a thousand dollars for an 800 round crate of 7.92x57JS that was at least 50+ years old and when word got around, I was approached by at least 20 people asking for more. I wish I had more.
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$27 per crate that's unreal! I think my first few crates cost me around $120-140.
 
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