Glock 17 extended controls

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Well, the controls are pretty cool, I really like the extended mag release, but god damn, it took me at least 35 minutes to force the trigger pin out of the receiver.

I watched a couple youtube vids before starting, but this pin was a pain in the ass. Not to mention, that once I got it out and tried fitting the extended slide lock lever in place, I noticed it was for the two pin G17 model. Well, well, I was pretty pissed at this point, but decided to introduce the part to Mr. Dremel, took off the edge and it fit no problem.

The extended mag release was a simple install. Overall, the only thing I don't know about is the slide lock lever, it kinda interferes with my grip, specifically, my thumb on my right hand overlaps it slightly, kind of annoying so, anyone else have this problem?

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I think all the extended controls just get in the way. Big waste of money. May I ask what problems you had with the standard controls? I have long fingers and never missed the slide stop or mag release.
 
B said:
I think all the extended controls just get in the way. Big waste of money. May I ask what problems you had with the standard controls? I have long fingers and never missed the slide stop or mag release.
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I didn't have any real problems, the slide stop level I never use as a slide release. The extended mag control does help though, that extra 1 or 2 mm makes a difference for me.

I might swap the standard slide lock lever back in, dunno yet
 
Glocks were designed primarily for law enforcement and military use. Proper LE training is to avoid using the slide release. Instead the user is trained to pull the slide back and release it to chamber the next round. Gross motor skills instead of the fine motor skills required to find and operate the slide release under stress. The latest update to this method is to actually follow the slide with the weak hand as it chambers the round to be positive the slide is fully closed. Then you know it's in battery and able to fire.

All the extended gizmos are great updates for paper punching. But the designers of this type of sidearm took stress-fire conditions into account as well as daily carry. An extended mag release is ok at the range. But if you're a lefty and getting in and out of cars for example, you better check that the mag is still in the pistol EVERY time you exit the car. That mag release is usually wide open to be bumped and dump the mag out. And if it's too long in a RH holster you might lose the mag while "handling" a "client" if the holster gets pushed inwards against your hip.
 
I have regular sized hands and I shoot a G20 so I needed an extended mag release. I figured if I was going to change things then I'd make a few more while I was at it.

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skoalbandit said:
Glocks were designed primarily for law enforcement and military use. Proper LE training is to avoid using the slide release. Instead the user is trained to pull the slide back and release it to chamber the next round. Gross motor skills instead of the fine motor skills required to find and operate the slide release under stress. The latest update to this method is to actually follow the slide with the weak hand as it chambers the round to be positive the slide is fully closed. Then you know it's in battery and able to fire.

All the extended gizmos are great updates for paper punching. But the designers of this type of sidearm took stress-fire conditions into account as well as daily carry. An extended mag release is ok at the range. But if you're a lefty and getting in and out of cars for example, you better check that the mag is still in the pistol EVERY time you exit the car. That mag release is usually wide open to be bumped and dump the mag out. And if it's too long in a RH holster you might lose the mag while "handling" a "client" if the holster gets pushed inwards against your hip.
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And, here is your winner. If you've ever had professional training, the slide stop is a no-no and the magazine release is fine the way it was designed.

TDC
 
So, manipulating a small button (mag release) is OK but manipulating a similar control (slide release) is not because it's not a 'gross motor skill?

And how would you define inserting a mag during a reload? (ie: putting a 'square peg in a square hole'). That's definately a fine motor skill! Is that OK?
 
Mike Oxlong said:
So, manipulating a small button (mag release) is OK but manipulating a similar control (slide release) is not because it's not a 'gross motor skill?

And how would you define inserting a mag during a reload? (ie: putting a 'square peg in a square hole'). That's definately a fine motor skill! Is that OK?
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It isn't so much that it's ok to manipulate the mag release or insert a mag, but it is absolutely necessary. You have two choices for releasing the slide...one using a fine motor skill and the other a gross. No such choice with the mag though...only one way to accomplish those tasks.
 
Farmer Harv said:
It isn't so much that it's ok to manipulate the mag release or insert a mag, but it is absolutely necessary. You have two choices for releasing the slide...one using a fine motor skill and the other a gross. No such choice with the mag though...only one way to accomplish those tasks.
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If mastering the use of a mag release is OK why not master the use of a slide release at the same time? It's definately faster than 'sling shotting' the slide. (Speed is a tactic!)
 
Mike Oxlong said:
If mastering the use of a mag release is OK why not master the use of a slide release at the same time? It's definately faster than 'sling shotting' the slide. (Speed is a tactic!)
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Because it has been shown time and again that using gross motor skills under stress is preferable to relying on fine motor skill training. This isn't opinion or conjecture, but proven and tested fact.

Again, this isn't a good comparison because there simply is no other option to release a mag than by using the mag release. If there was another method that would allow the the use of a gross motor skill for that action then it would be the preferred choice also.
 
Farmer Harv said:
Because it has been shown time and again that using gross motor skills under stress is preferable to relying on fine motor skill training. This isn't opinion or conjecture, but proven and tested fact.
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If this is a proven fact then you should have no problem citing references for tests that prove using the 'sling shot' method is superior to manipulating the slide release. I await with baited breath.......
 
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