kschneider
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Please elaborate, if you dare! LOL.
Glock 17 gen 4 or Girsan Yavuz 16
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Please elaborate, if you dare! LOL.
kschneider
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See, that is more like it. I don't have a problem with someone who prefers a certain gun that they own, hell, one obviously would buy a gun that they prefer and preach its merits, but you don't have to cut down what someone else prefers with unsubstantiated innuendo. What criteria do you use to determine reliability. I have over 4000 rnds through my Girsan, and not one FTF OR FTE. I only have one complaint about it. The extractor needs a tuning. It flings brass 10 feet away. LOL. I would say it is reliable. What about you, Hitzy.
kschneider
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So, are you saying because I'm resource challenged (poor), I should not be privileged to have a new gun, albeit a copy that I can afford, and instead buy someones discarded status symbol. I beg to differ. To save money, I'll go with the new gun with a warranty, and if that's a copy, then so be it.
Yeppers, I run 15lb recoil springs in mine. I honestly don't know what comes in the Girsan but it feels lighter then the 13lbs that are supposed to be in the full sized. They should be replaced every 5000 rounds to keep it running longer.
Mine has eaten 115gr to 147gr, ball and HP without a single hiccup. The design is solid and definitely reliable.
I shoot reloads (great way to save money btw. Costs me aBout $50 per 1000) in all my handguns so warranties mean nothing to me.
I will take a cheap used glock with 10k rounds through it every day of the week and twice on sunday over any new copy. The glock will do another 100k without a sweat.
You have 4k through your copy? Good for you. I clean my glocks every 5k.
Please stop telling everyone about your limited resources. I have already tried to explain to to you several times that you don't need a bunch of money to get an ultra reliable, readily available, cheap to get parts for, easy to fix handgun.
And glocks are status symbols now? Always thought gold plated DEs were. Glocks are plastic pistols that are cheap to make I thought.
I will take a cheap used glock with 10k rounds through it every day of the week and twice on sunday over any new copy. The glock will do another 100k without a sweat.
You have 4k through your copy? Good for you. I clean my glocks every 5k.
Please stop telling everyone about your limited resources. I have already tried to explain to to you several times that you don't need a bunch of money to get an ultra reliable, readily available, cheap to get parts for, easy to fix handgun.
And glocks are status symbols now? Always thought gold plated DEs were. Glocks are plastic pistols that are cheap to make I thought.
I'd love to find a good used Glock for a couple of hundred bucks, i'd buy them all day long.
Yeah....but personally I hate plastic framed handguns. I'd still run a Glock for IPSC production, it's well suited for that. For casual plinking or target type shooting, it or any DAO/Striker fired pistol both sucks & blows at the same time....lol
Reliable is number 1, but there are tons of other reliable pistols out there. Accuracy is tied for number one with me, and striker/DAO just can't deliver for me. If OP was looking between Girsan/Glock or a 1911....I'd be steering him towards the 1911 for his plinking intentions.
kschneider
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It feels like your a high pressure car salesman trying to sell me a Caddy that I can't afford. I give up. You win. I vote for Glock. OP, buy a Glock, please, anybody this determined has to be right. Hitzy, if you ever see me on a thread about Glocks again, PM me to get the frak off. These guys are obsessed with their plastic lego guns. To the victor go the spoils. I, however, being poor, can't afford the spoils. Ha Ha.
A used glock costs less than or the same as your copy. How can you afford one but be to poor for the other?
The OP already bought both don't have to tell him to again.
His plastic Lego gun will keep working long after the complex cnc made copy quits.
The OP already bought both don't have to tell him to again.
His plastic Lego gun will keep working long after the complex cnc made copy quits.
I don't buy guns to sit in safes 100 years. I buy them to shoot. I'm not going to get 100k rounds from my Sig 1911. I will from my glocks. I have a g22 with 40k through it. My friend retired his shadow at 45k (and I like that gun).
You should get 100000 out of the 1911 no problem.... Might have to replace some springs but should be fine. I know of a SIG 226 that had well over 100000 through it and absolutely nothing had been changed on it and it was still going strong....
1riot1ranger
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It depends what you are doing with the gun...
If the answer is: (A) just going to the range for occasional use, then it doesn't matter. The Girsan will probably be a bit easier to shoot due to the lighter (and possibly shorter) SA pull.
But if the answer is: (B) competition (IPSC, IDPA, or 3-gun), then Glock is the only answer. The Glock will have a better selection of sights and accessories (magazines, holsters, and mag pouches - not aftermarket parts... Don't want to derail this thread...) to assist your performance. Additionally, Glock parts are readily available. If you compete, you will, generally speaking, be shooting a significant volume. When you shoot a lot, your gun will require maintenance and new parts. Glocks do fail - they just fail less frequently than other guns. Glocks also require maintenance, just less than other guns.
The Girsan might be a fine pistol, but what happens when something breaks? Where do you get parts? Where do you get magazines? Holster? If the parts are all *identical* to a Beretta 92, then you are probably OK, but Beretta parts aren't as readily available in Canada as they are in the US. I've got a 92EII and getting mags and a holster was painful... If someone is starting in IPSC I always recommend Glock or CZ, why? Apart from being competitive guns, you can always find a source for parts and accessories.
If the answer is: (A) just going to the range for occasional use, then it doesn't matter. The Girsan will probably be a bit easier to shoot due to the lighter (and possibly shorter) SA pull.
But if the answer is: (B) competition (IPSC, IDPA, or 3-gun), then Glock is the only answer. The Glock will have a better selection of sights and accessories (magazines, holsters, and mag pouches - not aftermarket parts... Don't want to derail this thread...) to assist your performance. Additionally, Glock parts are readily available. If you compete, you will, generally speaking, be shooting a significant volume. When you shoot a lot, your gun will require maintenance and new parts. Glocks do fail - they just fail less frequently than other guns. Glocks also require maintenance, just less than other guns.
The Girsan might be a fine pistol, but what happens when something breaks? Where do you get parts? Where do you get magazines? Holster? If the parts are all *identical* to a Beretta 92, then you are probably OK, but Beretta parts aren't as readily available in Canada as they are in the US. I've got a 92EII and getting mags and a holster was painful... If someone is starting in IPSC I always recommend Glock or CZ, why? Apart from being competitive guns, you can always find a source for parts and accessories.
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