Glock 17 gen4 vs M&P9

JACKSMYDOG said:
When I was getting into the game, I had Glock in mind because of the hype I guess you could say. Once in position to start buying, research showed there were many other good choices in polymer that equaled or surpassed Glock in one or more categories. As far as reliability, most polymer guns are awesome, and all factors consider, any of the guns are good enough for play or war (lol). The deciding factor for me pretty much came down to the magazines. Most agree they had the toughest and most reliable magazines on the market. The mags can be used on all smaller framed Glocks of the same calibre. Glock magazines are used for multiple PCC platforms. I knew I wanted more than 9mm gun, so versatility across different guns made Glock my obvious choice.



G17/34 & G18 mags fit all 4 of these guns.

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what carbine is that?
 
misanthropist said:
They're both pretty good choices with a few issues.

The Glock will need sights immediately and you may want to look at the extraction/ejection cycle.

The M&P will need a trigger immediately and you may want to look at the accuracy, particularly in 9mm.



Most owners will not notice anything wrong with either one. Most shooters will want to address the immediate problems. Few will be bothered by the remaining issues.

Personally I think I own no M&Ps. I have six or eight glocks and I find them effective. I would very much like to see what happens with the S&W/GenDyn collaboration, though.
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The new FS and Pros in 9MM come with a 1 - 10 twist barrel which vastly improves accuracy. I noticed the difference immediately after I had the 1 - 10 twist barrel installed. The barrels from S&W are relatively inexpensive - less than $100 for me.

I would not think there is a dimes difference in accuracy between the two now. Both are very good combat pistols. If you have small hands the M&P wins hands down. Other than that you pick the one you like and claim it is the best pistol god allowed man to build.

Take Care

Bob
 
misanthropist said:
Depends on the individual unit. Some are fine; some are still problematic.

Which is a pretty good indicator of the origin of the issues, IMO.
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Perhaps but from what I see most would never know. The guns are not target guns and those who really use them certainly are not.... with a few exceptions of course. The Glock 34 is the only version of the two models that I have witnessed that could shoot with a CZ off a bench. I recognize that neither designs were ever meant to be target guns.

Take Care

Bob
 
Yeah, most people wouldn't experience significant disruption to their shooting from it, any more than most people would have issues generated by Glock's ongoing ejection quirks.

That's why I said earlier in the thread that Glocks need their sights replaced immediately and M&Ps need their triggers fixed if you're going to shoot them seriously, and that the remaining issues won't affect most shooters.

OTOH if you get one of the seriously balled up M&Ps, it's pretty hard to diagnose some shooting issues simply because some of them won't group better than 12" at 25 yards. In those cases, the mechanical accuracy teams up with the shooter's issues to generate really confusing targets.
 
misanthropist said:
OTOH if you get one of the seriously balled up M&Ps, it's pretty hard to diagnose some shooting issues simply because some of them won't group better than 12" at 25 yards. In those cases, the mechanical accuracy teams up with the shooter's issues to generate really confusing targets.
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Hell if you bought your pistol on the basis of my groups at 25 yards you would opt for a bag of rocks. You, our friend in Ottawa and one of the local members of the RCMP are about the only folks I know of who I would rely on to shoot meaningful groups at 25 yards. Groups at 25 yards probably aren't the best tests anyway for these guns. From a Ranson rest you could determine mechanical accuracy of the gun being shot but then ammo comes into play etc. Of course we could give our guns to a Magazine writer. Then, aside from the odd called flier all guns would be shooting inside of 4" guaranteed leaving the novice wondering why he can't hit squat ar 10 yards.

Trust you had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy & Prosperous New Year.

Take Care

Bob
 
I'd definitely agree that in general it's not going to be a make or break aspect of polymer service pistols for the overwhelming majority of shooters, and even for me the single biggest factor beyond about 15 yards starts to be the sighting more than the mechanical accuracy of the gun.

There are a bunch of upsides to the M&P series as well, so really the choice between the two is more a matter of preference than anything else for the overwhelming majority of people.


These magazine writers though...pathological liars!
 
Damn shame, Hickock45 is not on CGN, otherwise he would know not to bother shooting Glock with its inadequate sights and low accuracy barrel. :HR:


 
misanthropist said:
I'd definitely agree that in general it's not going to be a make or break aspect of polymer service pistols for the overwhelming majority of shooters, and even for me the single biggest factor beyond about 15 yards starts to be the sighting more than the mechanical accuracy of the gun.

There are a bunch of upsides to the M&P series as well, so really the choice between the two is more a matter of preference than anything else for the overwhelming majority of people.


These magazine writers though...pathological liars!
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Exactly!

Take Care

Bob
 
You will be happy either way...but after research and trying them out at the range, I went for the M&P 9 CORE. Ergonomics are much better and adaptable to hand size and the APEX trigger will bring it to another level and the CORE is red dot optics ready...They are both good and reliable functional pistols...it will be one or 2 details that will make or break it for you. All you will get here are personal opinions...
 
radmacks said:
I couldn't decide either so I bought both. Very different guns for sure.
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That is also a great solution haha... I did that with the Glcok 21 gen 4 and HK45.

If you can find them both in a gun store near you see which feels better in the hand. I was in CSC a couple months ago and got to handle 6 different 45's - it was awesome. I'm used to buying guns online site unseen, but nothing quite beats handling them all to see which fits my hand the best. When I picked up the HK it was like they molded the grip specifically for my hand. Oddly enough the glock was a close second for me, and the M&P felt quite weird, so I won't be buying one anytime soon. The one that really shocked me was the FNX45 actually - that thing was like holding a brick. But this isn't a thread about 45's...

Ben
 
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