Glock 17 or Sig 228 ?
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i've seen a handful of people at the range shoot Glocks, and i got to shoot two of them (a 17 and a 34). nobody ever had any problems at all. today during an IDPA range day, one guy (like Vin Diesel on steroids) had a stainless SIG 226 and he had tons of trouble with it - FTE, jams, etc. good groups from 25 yards though!
he (jokingly) referred to it as a "nice expensive POS" while dicking around with the slide trying to figure out what was causing it.
never seen anyone have a Glock apart for any sort of "what's going on???" diagnosis.
admittedly, i only shot a SIG once and that was back in Jan or Feb. felt good, never did anything bad in my newbie hands at that time.
he (jokingly) referred to it as a "nice expensive POS" while dicking around with the slide trying to figure out what was causing it.
never seen anyone have a Glock apart for any sort of "what's going on???" diagnosis.
admittedly, i only shot a SIG once and that was back in Jan or Feb. felt good, never did anything bad in my newbie hands at that time.
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Depends on what you prefer. The Glock 17 has a rather big and squared off grip while the P228 has a smaller and round shape. If I were you I'd try both out. At the very least hold them. Both are good pistols and should do well for you.
I'm a Glock guy, but I'd trust my life to a SIG in a heartbeat. The story you tell above is missing some important information. I would suspect the owner/user has perhaps played with the internals or I would suspect the ammo is a poor batch of reloads. I've never seen or known anyone who owns a SIG(not Norinco wannabes)to have anything but reliable functioning with quality commercial ammo.
As to your question, any selection in firearms(or most things for that matter) are entirely personal. Personally, I believe that the individual needs to look at what they intend to do with the pistol before selecting one for the job. Failing to set out some guidelines will surely result in buying something that someone else likes and recommends. Figure out what you need, then find something that fills those needs.
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Since when is Sig Swiss?
SIG is a Swiss company. "Swiss" is right in the name: Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft ("Swiss Industrial Society"). "SIG Sauer" was a joint Swiss/Germany project originally. Things have changed over the years and in 2000 the firearms side of the company split between "SIG Arms" (the German/American side) and "Swiss Arms".
Anyway... the two main pistols I am shooting these days are the GLOCK 19 and the SIG 228, so I suppose I am pretty well qualified to answer your question. I also have the SIG 229 and 239, and I used to have a GLOCk 17 as well.
Both are great. Both are very accurate. Both are very reliable. That isn't going to help you much though.
The big differences for me are: (1) trigger, (2) trigger reset, and (3) bore axis.
The GLOCKs have a much shorter trigger reset than classic SIGs. The SIG SRT trigger has changed the game for SIG, but many new guns still have the original trigger - and of course the hundreds of thousands of SIGs produced over the years have it.
You can get used to anything, but if you are used to shooting a short reset trigger (1911, GLOCK) you will not enjoy switching to a longer reset. On the other hand, if longer reset is what you are used to, this becomes a non-factor - as you brain does not think of the reset as "long".
The trigger on SIGs has a much finer break point than a GLOCk. That doesn't necessarily mean SIGs shoot better, but it does mean you have to learn how to shoot a GLOCK trigger to have success with it. Don't finesse a GLOCK trigger. Pull it. The traditional shooting advice about slowly "squeeze, don't pull" - I don't believe this applies to GLOCK. Learn to shoot the GLOCK trigger properly and you will stop believing the "GLOCK are not accurate" myth. A solid grip and proper trigger technique and GLOCKs are very, very accurate.
Bore axis: classic SIGs sit higher in the hand. Extend your trigger finger while holding the pistol. On a SIG your finger will be completely under the barrel. On a GLOCK your finger will be closer to the level the barrel is on (I'm not sure if this makes sense without pictures... hopefully it does). Like the trigger issue, you can overcome any disadvantage this may present with practice. In 9mm it doesn't make much difference (if any) anyway, as recoil is easily controllable. Higher bore axis.. shooting +P .45 ACP's or something like that, the "get back on target" speed is probably going to suffer a bit for most shooters.
My view... SIGs seem to be easier for new shooters to get good results with. I see so many people buying GLOCKs as their first pistol and they really struggle with it. I was the same way. Took me years of shooting before I came back to GLOCK and learned to love them. SIGs are awesome guns and I will always own and shoot SIG. The 228 in particular is just plain cool. However, the more skill and experience I have developed with pistol shooting the more I see the appeal of the GLOCK. I really believe it is hard to beat the GLOCK on a "best of all worlds"/"lowest common denominator" kind of basis: cheap, tough, accurate, simple, reliable, common, tons of factory and aftermarket parts and accessories. Took me a few years to get there in my own mind... but GLOCK didn't take over the pistol market by accident.
Having said that, SIGs rock and I love shooting them. They feel "quality" and many people think they feel more like a "real gun" vs. polymer frame gun. GLOCK has a lot to offer though. If I could only have one pistol (perish the though), it would be a GLOCK 19... but I would be real close with the 228 and 229.
Thank you for your replies, gentlemen, and specially Ghostie.
On a side note, I'd like to ask two more questions:
- is the G 19 that much different from the 17? I do not seem to find any to try. Called TSE and they don't have any for rent or sale. Nor a 17, but...
-second question relates to the Norinco Sig clones. Are they worth looking at?
On a side note, I'd like to ask two more questions:
- is the G 19 that much different from the 17? I do not seem to find any to try. Called TSE and they don't have any for rent or sale. Nor a 17, but...
-second question relates to the Norinco Sig clones. Are they worth looking at?
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The 19 is a slight more compact version of the 17, although the 19 must be fitted with an aftermarket barrel as the factory barrel would make it prohibited. All the 19's you'll see will have the barrel protruding slightly and and you'll pay more. Trade off is that often the barrel will be a good quality one, Questar uses Lone Wolf barrels, and I've seen a few fitted with Storm Lakes. It's a more precisely made barrel then the glock factory ones, although whether they actually improve accuracy is left open to debate.
I can't comment on the norc sigs though, I've never fired one. If they're anything like their 1911 cousins then they should be good but until I've actually fired one I'll refrain from an actual call.
I've owned both a Norinco NP-34 (SIG 228 copy) and a Glock 17.
I still have the Glock and the Norinco is long gone.
Don't get me wrong, the NP-34 was a great gun. It malfunctioned on me exactly once and I'm pretty sure it was the ammo's fault. It shot great; nice and accurate, but I found that it was slightly harder to control in rapid fire due to the elevated bore axis. I'm just a scrawny little guy though so this may not be anywhere near as big an issue for anyone else.
What sold me on the Glock was:
1) it isn't a knock-off of anything
2) the YouTube "Glock Torture" video
3) the availability of the Advantage Arms .22LR kit
4) the lower bore axis
and
5) its simplistic design (more parts generally equals more problems)
For the slight difference in price over the Norinco, the Glock is definitely 100% worth it.
I still have the Glock and the Norinco is long gone.
Don't get me wrong, the NP-34 was a great gun. It malfunctioned on me exactly once and I'm pretty sure it was the ammo's fault. It shot great; nice and accurate, but I found that it was slightly harder to control in rapid fire due to the elevated bore axis. I'm just a scrawny little guy though so this may not be anywhere near as big an issue for anyone else.
What sold me on the Glock was:
1) it isn't a knock-off of anything
2) the YouTube "Glock Torture" video
3) the availability of the Advantage Arms .22LR kit
4) the lower bore axis
and
5) its simplistic design (more parts generally equals more problems)
For the slight difference in price over the Norinco, the Glock is definitely 100% worth it.
C Broad Arrow
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Or you can look at a Gen 4 Glock with the choice of grip inserts and see which on fits you best.
I have a 1911 Officer(.45), a 228 and a G19. I am one of those that has a 12.6. While all are nice guns, if I had only one to choose, it would be the G19. Easy to maintain, inexpensive mags, and great to carry, and very accurate.
The Colt and the Sig are very well made. Love both. But in a holster all day they get heavy. Fun to shoot at the range or dry fire at home.
But for all around, matches(IDPA) or CCW, the Glock would be my choice.
The Colt and the Sig are very well made. Love both. But in a holster all day they get heavy. Fun to shoot at the range or dry fire at home.
But for all around, matches(IDPA) or CCW, the Glock would be my choice.
