Glock 19 vs 17

If you want to play weird number games, I can easily find a population the size of Canada within the USA all living with a lower crime rate than Canada's. We have 325 million people to Canada's 36 million.
 
I don't know why I argue about this with someone that lives in such a violent place. Higher murder rate than New York and probably more gang members and drug dealers per capita as well.
 
If you want to play weird number games, I can easily find a population the size of Canada within the USA all living with a lower crime rate than Canada's. We have 325 million people to Canada's 36 million.

You could but it would not support CCW. What you cannot do is find one Canadian city with the shooting and wounding deaths similar to Chicago. Not possible. Even Donald Trump at his recent rally in Kentucky considers the situation worse in Chicago then the Middle East.

Sorry the numbers don't support CCW and I do wish their was more support for CCW in Canada but there isn't. Hell handgun ownership is tenuous at best in this country. As I stated before, it isn't some conspiracy within our Government that won't allow CCW it is the Canadian public. The vast majority do not see CCW as a solution to criminal activity and there is little to support CCW as a preventive measure in the US. Crime rates in both countries has been falling over the past thirty years as the Baby Boom generation aged. Look up the stats while you are searching out your 35 million white middle class people and you will find the decline is virtually the same in both countries. What Canada does not have is a large Self Defense Industry promoting the need to be armed in order to feel safe. You will need more than a hand full of gung ho couch commandos I am afraid.

FYI most of our crime in Canada involves property theft. I own nothing in the way of property that I would shoot someone over. I doubt many on this Forum have either.

Take Care

Bob
ps It wasn't me who brought up the three murders in the NWT and claimed this as a reason to arm ourselves as the murder rate was 11/100,000.:>)
 
You guys need to pull "general" stats. And by this I mean all the violent crimes not just murders if you are gonna play the numbers game.
 
So was the home invasion in which the owner was assaulted last week in Terrace a property crime or violent crime?
 
You guys need to pull "general" stats. And by this I mean all the violent crimes not just murders if you are gonna play the numbers game.

Would wounding fall to the level of just "violent" crimes? So far this year Chicago has had in addition to the 120 shot and killed another 539 shot and wounded. 95.7% of those involved are either Black or Hispanic. The 2016 totals were 717 killed and 3662 shot and wounded! How many in Toronto? By comparison in nine years of warfare in Afghanistan Canada DND reports 615 wounded soldiers in action. By those numbers our troops in Afghanistan were in a six times safer environment than a 16 year old Black teenager was walking the streets of his neighbourhood in Chicago and our troops were fighting a war in an active combat zone!

Really the stats are meaningless and I concede that. The issue is that Canadians as a group do not and would not support CCW. I doubt most firearm owners support CCW and I would hate to survey long gun owners and give them the option of doing away with handguns vs absolute Constitution guaranteed right to own long guns. Why do you think no political party will support an absolute pro-gun position? If there was wide spread support the political bodies would be all over it like a dirty shirt.

Using Chicago is a bit unfair though. The city after all ranks 24th in terms of violent crimes among cities in the US.

Take Care

Bob
 
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Sure. Canada has 3x the violent crime rate.

Canada: 1,062 Violent crimes per 100k

USA: 372.6 violent crimes per 100k

Sources:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14642-eng.htm

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-1

Actually when i clicked on the drop down table from Stats Canada, the Violent crime rate for Canada in 2015 was 749 per 100,000 so about twice the rate for the US.

And I really like both Glock 17 and 19 pistols!
 
I have the Glock 19 Gen 3 with the threaded muzzle, I got it to use for CCW while in the US. I don't have massive hands, but I had to use a Dremel to grind down the area where the trigger guard meets the grip, it otherwise would really rub on my strong hand middle finger. The suppressor height front sight is a bit high for me and I'm looking to swap it out for a lower one. Or file it down...
 
Actually when i clicked on the drop down table from Stats Canada, the Violent crime rate for Canada in 2015 was 749 per 100,000 so about twice the rate for the US.

And I really like both Glock 17 and 19 pistols!

From the article:

Police-reported violent crime higher in 2015

In 2015, violent crimes continued to account for about one-fifth (20%) of all police-reported Criminal Code offences (excluding traffic). There were almost 381,000 police-reported violent incidents in 2015, over 10,000 more than the previous year. In 2015, the violent crime rate in Canada was 1,062 violent incidents per 100,000 population, which was 2% higher than in 2014
 
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