Glock 19 vs CZ P10c vs SandW 2.0 compact

I just bought a slightly used PPQ Navy. It is a Compact with a threaded snout. I intend to knock the nose off and end up with a 106MM barreled compact. I like the quality, ergos, trigger and accuracy of the PPQ's. I was going to go with the M&P with the threaded barrel and do the same thing. I like the M&P series and have lots of time on them. There was $200 difference involved which could not be resolved so I went with the used PPQ. The G19 I know is every operators wet dream but I just can't love the Glock grip and the fact they have their issues which may or may not be resolved with the Gen5 Version of the gun.

I want to play CCP in IDPA. I could have just as easy bought a FS M&P and played with the magazine bases but I kind of felt that wasn't in the spirit of the Division so we will see how I make out with the PPQ.

Any of the listed pistols will operate about the same way. Neither has much daylight over the other. To the OP try each one if you can, blind fold yourself hold each and see which one you think you like and flop down your dollars.

Take Care

Bob
 
I had glock 19 and p10c and sold both. Wanted to love the Cz but the built in beaver tail was pretty uncomfortable for me. IIRC i sold it for 550$ and they weren't that much more expensive new then. Maybe I should have waited longer lol. But regardless glock 48 is what id choose after owning all of them.
 
i have a 19 and i had it out with my dads new P10c a couple months ago.
personally i dont really like the 19 much, long story, but im left handed, my 19 does not have ambi stuff and the finger ridges in the grip.... it just all adds up to a very uncomfortable pistol for me.

interesting enough, i shot a lot better with the 19 then i did the P10c, but i did prefer the P10c for the way it felt in the hand.

end of the day for compact pistols, for me, i went with the G48.
again its not left hand friendly but i can hit with it and thats more important than everything else.

i really should just sell off my 19 and get a gen5.

also keep in mind the 19 is a industry staple, so getting accessories for it is 100% easier than any other gun.
magazines, sites, any furniture add on you can dream of.

im a M&P fan boy so i would really love to try a M&P compact.
i have a M&P9C but thats a little too small.
nothing worse than having your pinky out in the air!
 
wayupnorth said:
Im a M&P fan boy so i would really love to try a M&P compact.
i have a M&P9C but thats a little too small.
nothing worse than having your pinky out in the air!
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You can get a M&P Compact...sort of. They make a Coimpact with a Suppressor barrel and suppressor sights. It is available up here for $780 + taxes and shipping. I looked at that option as I want to build a Compact gun with a barely legal barrel. I opted for a gently used PPQ Navy ie Compact frame suppressor barrel. After surgery the barrel will be 106MM. I got it for $200 less than the M&P would have cost plus taxes and shipping.

Go the M&P route and you got a great little pistol. A little surgery and the gun is exactly what you are looking for. The Glock humpy grip and grip angle have kept me away from that platform. The Gen6 Glocks are probably the best of the bunch. The frame unfortunately has not changed other than to accommodate the slide and trigger assembly changes.

Take Care

Bob
 
I definitely get the appeal of compacts, regardless of the practical uselessness of those guns in this country. They’re just kinda cool, and that’s all the justification that you need.

I’ve owned several G19s, a couple CZ p-10s (a C and an SC), and a bunch of M&Ps. Never owned the 2.0 compact, but I had the full size 2.0.

I think each have their advantages. As a stock gun, the P10 wins, hands down. Best trigger and ergos are just right, and it’s the lowest priced of the 3 options. Downside is getting aftermarket parts is limited. Things like sights are tough to come by.
The G19 is... well... It’s a Glock. They work and the world is your oyster for upgrades down the road. If you like tinkering and playing with builds the Glock is your gun. It’s also the simplest of the 3 when it comes to servicing.

The 2.0 is an excellent platform, but not gonna be as common in Canada (in the Compact version). Compact mags may be harder to find, although the FS mags work. Everything about the 2.0 is better then the original, and is popular enough that the after market support is good, although not as good as the Glock. If you like the M&P platform then the 2.0 Compact makes sense.

Again, I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the 3 options, but I can tell you that of the dozen or so guns I’ve owned from this list, the only ones I still own are the CZ P10s.
 
Thank you for the detailed response. So to break it down further out of the P10c and P10sc which one did you like better? I really want the P10c for the look and that maybe not be everyone’s cup of tea but I love it and I want to doctor it up- unfortunately I cannot find one anywhere. I have WTB ads up and everything and it’s crickets.

However i do see the SC version available and is that something I guess I may have to settle on...unless you have one you want to sell.

gooch said:
I definitely get the appeal of compacts, regardless of the practical uselessness of those guns in this country. They’re just kinda cool, and that’s all the justification that you need.

I’ve owned several G19s, a couple CZ p-10s (a C and an SC), and a bunch of M&Ps. Never owned the 2.0 compact, but I had the full size 2.0.

I think each have their advantages. As a stock gun, the P10 wins, hands down. Best trigger and ergos are just right, and it’s the lowest priced of the 3 options. Downside is getting aftermarket parts is limited. Things like sights are tough to come by.
The G19 is... well... It’s a Glock. They work and the world is your oyster for upgrades down the road. If you like tinkering and playing with builds the Glock is your gun. It’s also the simplest of the 3 when it comes to servicing.

The 2.0 is an excellent platform, but not gonna be as common in Canada (in the Compact version). Compact mags may be harder to find, although the FS mags work. Everything about the 2.0 is better then the original, and is popular enough that the after market support is good, although not as good as the Glock. If you like the M&P platform then the 2.0 Compact makes sense.

Again, I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the 3 options, but I can tell you that of the dozen or so guns I’ve owned from this list, the only ones I still own are the CZ P10s.
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Phat Eagle said:
Yup... I always get a kick out of the "poor Glock grip angle" canard.
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Come on now. Grip a Glock and the gun points up. Shoot a Glock and learn to tip it forward in your grip. Like denying the Covid. Glocks are good guns but they do have their issues. If they didn't Glock would not be on their 5th Generation.

In 1985 they were the cat's meow. In 2021 they are just another striker fired gun in a large field of striker fired guns. If you are a PD looking for the best priced polymer pistol the Glock likely is your first choice. If you are a civilian looking for the best option for what you want to do, the Glock and several other makes are in the same basket.

For most, including me. it all comes down to how it feels in the hand and how the grip allows me to operate the guns controls. I shoot the same scores with an M&P 5" Pro as I do with a PPQ Match as I do with a Gen 1 FS M&P. If you find the Glock meets your fancy fill your boots, but there are other options.

To the OP we all have our preferences but don't buy a gun simply because xyz swears by them. Forget the reliability and accuracy issues. Among all of the guns mentions each and every one of them is just as reliable as the next. Free style each will perform as well as the next. Off a bench I have yet to see a polymer pistol outshoot the PPQ line. That said, it is the archer not the arrow when it comes to shooting freestyle.

To the OP shoot as many guns as you can. An active shooting range is a good place to experience guys guns. Most will be happy to let you try their gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Nick933 said:
Glock hasn't changed anything about their pistols since 1985.
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On the assumption you are being facetious, and for those who might actually take your post seriously I feel compelled to point out the Gen 5 features:

1, A redesigned slide. Apparently the Gen4.s slide cracked at the front under heavy use. The Gen 5 slide has added metal at the nose.
2. A redesigned trigger group. There are changes in the sear I believe. In any event the new group necessitated minor changes in the slide and the frame.

To recap you have a new slide, a new trigger group and a new frame. Not sure if the barrel and sights were tweaked or not.

The Gen1's didn't have a picatinny rail for a light...the 2's did but the frame wood droop if you laced to heavy a light on it. Over the course of the Gen 1 through 3 the barrel ramp area was improved to prevent the Glock bulge that occurred at the 6 o'clock position in front of the brass webbing. That might have been the reason the Gen 2 or 3's in 40 cal had a nasty habit of blowing up. Google Portland Police/Glock and you can read about their experience. Glock never did acknowledge the unsupported barrel issues but they did change the area around the ramp to better support the cartridge.

There you have it. Just minor changes if you are a Glock fan boy...hell might even qualify for no changes at all.

The Glock is a great pistol and frankly, if they did something about the grip angle/hump I would be all over a Gen 4 Glock 34.


Take Care

Bob

The good news is the magazines remain the same.
 
Sassybee said:
In general, no the design has remained the same. Does old mean outdated to you? Another device that's stupid old and therefore complete junk in your opinion, would be the wheel.
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Get real the only constant has been it remains a striker fired pistol. The name isn't even the same as in Gen 1, Gen 2, etc. I remind you that Gen 1 was the "Perfect" pistol as was 2 as was...depends on which generation the writer owns. To my knowledge no PPQ's have blown up, or the nose of the slide cracked. In a wet climate where the gun is exposed to salt spray the guns become rust buckets due to the fact the slide is not made of stainless steel albeit even stainless steel will rust over time. It just isn't over a few months of exposure.

Look the Glock became virtually the standard sidearm of police forces in North America due to the fact the Glock was the first popular low cost pistol back in 1985. Throw in smart marketing and guns dominated the LEO market. It has caught on with some militaries but lost out to SIG as a replacement for the US armed forces which is a huge miss.

As I said earlier the gun is a very nice design and has evolved over the years to correct some serious issues. For me, I have no need for a gun with an uncomfortable grip. I have several other options and so do other shooters. My PPQ Match and M2 5: came with 5.6lb trigger pulls with a 1/10" reset just as advertised. My new PPQ Navy will arrive with the same trigger pull and reset. Once it gets a trim on it's barrel it will become my CCP gun for IDPA. I could have done the same thing with an M&P albeit that gun would not have the trigger the PPQ has.

The OP has a large selection of pistols before him. He mentioned three but their are others. I hope it gets a chance to try them all. Of the 3 he listed I would lean to the CZ but there others that come to mind.

Take Care

Bob
 
I'm just saying the changes between generations have been negligible for a reason; the platform works well. The OP can decide for himself whether the grip angle is a problem.
 
Nick933 said:
I'm just saying the changes between generations have been negligible for a reason; the platform works well. The OP can decide for himself whether the grip angle is a problem.
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Well by works well ...adding metal to the front of the slide, to stop the slide from cracking is hardly a cosmetic change. The generations at first blush all look pretty much the same. Aside from perhaps a spring or two the Gen1 guns have little in common with the 5th Gen. They certainly resemble each other however.

Take Care,
Bob
 
Lots of witty banter. I appreciate the feedback. I’m going with a cz P10c if I can find one.

I have shot a g48 / g17 /19x. Also a p10f - just not the 2.0. Anyways cz it is. I’m a buyer for the P10c! Send me what you got.
 
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