Glock 22 Slide on Glock 17 Frame?
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I see that no one here has done this, lol. Yes you can swap, the frame's are all identical between 17, 22, 34 and 35. The only thing is that the frame has to be a gen 3 or newer. And just to be safe, I would get the proper ejector for the caliber you are using. They are only a couple of bucks anyways.
Did you do any study on Glock design except thinking and looking at it?
Are you sure that everyhhing you mentioned is the same?
If you have Glocks 17 and 22, swop the slides, go to a range and fire both. After, kindly post the range report here. But better still, don't do it. Not because I said this. I didn't come to this conclusion myself. I learned it from Glock, from American Gunsmithing Institute and fom some other prominent pistolsmiths and armorers.
Those drop-in 9mm barrels for Glock 22 will work but not as good as 40 S&W barrels. They are only recommended by those who make them and those who sell them. They are a substitute for real thing.
Kazimier
Did you do any study on Glock design except thinking and looking at it?
Are you sure that everyhhing you mentioned is the same?
If you have Glocks 17 and 22, swop the slides, go to a range and fire both. After, kindly post the range report here. But better still, don't do it. Not because I said this. I didn't come to this conclusion myself. I learned it from Glock, from American Gunsmithing Institute and fom some other prominent pistolsmiths and armorers.
Those drop-in 9mm barrels for Glock 22 will work but not as good as 40 S&W barrels. They are only recommended by those who make them and those who sell them. They are a substitute for real thing.
Okay so what ISNT the same??
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From The Glockmeister website:
Glock Upper Swaps by Model
It is asked often and many folks get the wrong information, so we are going to show the Glock owner and the generally curious all of the possible Upper/Receiver combinations in the Glock. In other words which uppers work on which receivers.
*Indicates ejector and mag change.
Receiver------------Upper(s)
G17.....................G17,17L,34
G17L...................G17,17L,34
G19.....................G19
G20.....................G20,G21
G21.....................G20,G21
G22.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
G23.....................G19*,23,32
G24.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
G26.....................G26,27*,33*
G27.....................G26*,27,33
G29.....................G29,30*
G30.....................G29*,G30
G31.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
G32.....................G19*,23,32
G33.....................G26*,27,33
G34.....................G17,17L,34
G35.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
Glock Upper Swaps by Model
It is asked often and many folks get the wrong information, so we are going to show the Glock owner and the generally curious all of the possible Upper/Receiver combinations in the Glock. In other words which uppers work on which receivers.
*Indicates ejector and mag change.
Receiver------------Upper(s)
G17.....................G17,17L,34
G17L...................G17,17L,34
G19.....................G19
G20.....................G20,G21
G21.....................G20,G21
G22.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
G23.....................G19*,23,32
G24.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
G26.....................G26,27*,33*
G27.....................G26*,27,33
G29.....................G29,30*
G30.....................G29*,G30
G31.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
G32.....................G19*,23,32
G33.....................G26*,27,33
G34.....................G17,17L,34
G35.....................G17*,17L*,22,24,31,34*,35
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So you know already that ejector is one of those parts. You cannot replace the ejector only; it is an integral part of trigger housing which must be replaced. The second part is barrel locking block. It is the same for Glock 22, 35 and 31, but different for 17. You can check it on every web site selling Glock parts. I don't really know why Glockmeister doesn't mention this. Putting Glock 17 slide on 22 frame will not lock the barrel properly and vice versa. You can shoot gun like this but please, don't do it.
I am not asking anybody to believe me. Just do your homework and if it will not convince you, assamble your dream gun and go to the range. Good luck.
Kazimier
I have done it and shot many rounds without any issues but the ejector had to be changed. Glock 17 3rd gen lower and Glock 22 3rd gen upper. Obviously, if I had a Glock 22 to begin with, it would have been a lot cheaper to just buy a 9mm conversion barrel rather than the whole upper. But I didn't and this was my alternative to shooting 40 without having to buy a new gun.
Obviously I can only speak about my experience in doing this and can not offer any guarantees in reliability and/or safety issues on your end. YMMV!
Obviously I can only speak about my experience in doing this and can not offer any guarantees in reliability and/or safety issues on your end. YMMV!
OK FINE,
YPMMV
and
FREE advice on the internet is often worth a LOT less than you pay for it.
That being said,
I've actually played around with SEVERAL multi caliber Glock pistols,
and SEVERAL more multi caliber Golt Govt type pistols.
My current G35 is set up in .40 and also in .357 SIG, using .40 mags,
and I just sold my Advantage Arms .22 LR Glock top end [ with FIVE mags ] and my KKM .40=>9MM CONVERSION barrel.
The opinion that Glock "conversion barrels are no good" flies in the face of my personal experience. The KKM .40=>9mm CONVERSION barrel that I had was one of the most accurate barrels I've ever used in a Glock [ is a 5 shot 2 1/2" group at 25 yds good enough?? ...OFFHAND???]. This KKM 9mm barrel was ALMOST totally reliable in my G35 for the several hundred 9mm rounds I shot through a STOCK G35, using 17/10 rd G17 magazines.
I've also used .40=>9mm conversion barrels from LW, in my G23 and in my G22, and while these were not as accurate as the KKM 9 mm barrel, they were plenty accurate enough for practicing with cheap 9mm NATO SPEC ball ammo that I was using. And as I said, they were ALMOST as reliable in my various .40 S&W Glocks, as with the .40 ammo. I say almost, because the G22 and the G17 use exactly the same Glock recoil spring, and when I put in an aftermarket MERCURY FILLED GUIDE ROD with a different ROUND recoil spring, OCCASIONALLY, when the Glock got really dirty, I noticed a few of the 9mm rounds failed to lock the slide back with an empty mag.
Other than that, no difference between 9 mm and 40 for reliability in severqal of my Glocks, with several different set ups.
Last year,
I sold ALL of my 9mm Glocks,
for the simple reason that a .40 Glock CAN take a .357 SIG barrel, and CAN take a 9mm CONVERSION barrel with NO OTHER CHANGES [except using the appropriate magazines]. I also bought and experimented with a spare 9mm trigger group [ for the 9mm ejector which is bent slightly, with a tip that sits slightly inboard of the .40 ejector location, instead of straight like the .40 S&W ejector ] and a new 9mm extractor with the "LOADED CHAMBER" indicator notch [ which has a different casting #/part # than a .40 ejector, but with which under a magnifying glass and in use, I could discern absolutely no difference ].
With the Glocks, the .40 to 9mm is mostly a ONE WAY STREET .. The 9MM Glocks have slides with too small a breech face, and too tight an ID at the hole in the front of the slide, to take the larger caliber/larger dimensioned barrels.
PLUS,
the earlier generations of Glock 9 mm pistols DID NOT HAVE THE EXTRA PIN FOR THE LOCKING LUG,
SO,
while it may be physically possible to swap in a complete Glock .40 S&W slide on to an older 9MM frame, this would NOT be a safe and reliable thing to do.
However,
it is possible and practical to swap a complete .40 S&W slide on to a later Glock 9mm frame [ with the correct extra locking lug pin ],
and equally possible to swap a 9mm slide on to a .40 frame.
But I don't bother with the complete slide swaps any more ....
I just use a conversion barrel in the .40 slide and frame.
PS:
I just sold one of my 6" SS .357 SIG barrels to a G22 owner, who had shot IPSC for years with a G17 9MM Barrel he had rechambered to .9MM/40 [ ALMOST the same as .357 SIG ... but not quite ]. The 9mm G 17 barrels are smaller in both outside barrel diameter, AND, in the width of the breach face.
However,
my buddy had hundreds of IOPSC MAJOR .40/9mm rounds through his G17 dimensioned barrel in a G22 slide & frame, with no issues ... even though that smaller 9 MM barrel is definitely slopping around inside the oversized .40 S&W slide.
I've also played around with the G23, using 9mm conversion barrels,
And used a G22 aftermarket recoil spring,
which stuck out the front of the slide quite a bit,
And that set up worked just fine.
Just as a point of interest,
NO,
SADLY,
you can NOT put a G23 slide on a G22, or vice versa.
Nor can you put a G27 slide on a G23, or vice versa.
THIS does NOT work because the barrel lugs and the frame lugs are spaced differently on the various standard, compact, ultra compact models of Glocks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When it comes to the Colt Govt model pistols,
BARREL LENGTH & SLIDE LENGTH & CALIBER SWAPS ARE A BIT EASIER
I've put Commander slides and barrels into Govt model frames,
and I've put Govt model barrels and slides into Commander frames,
and I've put VARIOUS different caliber slides on to VARIOUS different caliber frames.
All of this can be done with a bit of tweaking [ aka genuine GUN SMITING ].
In fact I once had a Colt Govt frame set up with a .45 ACP Govt length slide, also in .45 SUPER with a 6” ported SS coned barrel, in 9MM with a Commander slide and barrel, and also with an ACE .22 LR top end as well. By one of those strange co-incidences, the 9mm Commander top end was the most accurate of all of these.
Both the Glock AND the Colt pistols are great for multiple caliber conversions ...
IF you start with the right model, and IF you know what you are doing.
of course,
YPMMV
and
FREE advice on the internet is often worth a LOT less than you pay for it.
YPMMV
and
FREE advice on the internet is often worth a LOT less than you pay for it.
That being said,
I've actually played around with SEVERAL multi caliber Glock pistols,
and SEVERAL more multi caliber Golt Govt type pistols.
My current G35 is set up in .40 and also in .357 SIG, using .40 mags,
and I just sold my Advantage Arms .22 LR Glock top end [ with FIVE mags ] and my KKM .40=>9MM CONVERSION barrel.
The opinion that Glock "conversion barrels are no good" flies in the face of my personal experience. The KKM .40=>9mm CONVERSION barrel that I had was one of the most accurate barrels I've ever used in a Glock [ is a 5 shot 2 1/2" group at 25 yds good enough?? ...OFFHAND???]. This KKM 9mm barrel was ALMOST totally reliable in my G35 for the several hundred 9mm rounds I shot through a STOCK G35, using 17/10 rd G17 magazines.
I've also used .40=>9mm conversion barrels from LW, in my G23 and in my G22, and while these were not as accurate as the KKM 9 mm barrel, they were plenty accurate enough for practicing with cheap 9mm NATO SPEC ball ammo that I was using. And as I said, they were ALMOST as reliable in my various .40 S&W Glocks, as with the .40 ammo. I say almost, because the G22 and the G17 use exactly the same Glock recoil spring, and when I put in an aftermarket MERCURY FILLED GUIDE ROD with a different ROUND recoil spring, OCCASIONALLY, when the Glock got really dirty, I noticed a few of the 9mm rounds failed to lock the slide back with an empty mag.
Other than that, no difference between 9 mm and 40 for reliability in severqal of my Glocks, with several different set ups.
Last year,
I sold ALL of my 9mm Glocks,
for the simple reason that a .40 Glock CAN take a .357 SIG barrel, and CAN take a 9mm CONVERSION barrel with NO OTHER CHANGES [except using the appropriate magazines]. I also bought and experimented with a spare 9mm trigger group [ for the 9mm ejector which is bent slightly, with a tip that sits slightly inboard of the .40 ejector location, instead of straight like the .40 S&W ejector ] and a new 9mm extractor with the "LOADED CHAMBER" indicator notch [ which has a different casting #/part # than a .40 ejector, but with which under a magnifying glass and in use, I could discern absolutely no difference ].
With the Glocks, the .40 to 9mm is mostly a ONE WAY STREET .. The 9MM Glocks have slides with too small a breech face, and too tight an ID at the hole in the front of the slide, to take the larger caliber/larger dimensioned barrels.
PLUS,
the earlier generations of Glock 9 mm pistols DID NOT HAVE THE EXTRA PIN FOR THE LOCKING LUG,
SO,
while it may be physically possible to swap in a complete Glock .40 S&W slide on to an older 9MM frame, this would NOT be a safe and reliable thing to do.
However,
it is possible and practical to swap a complete .40 S&W slide on to a later Glock 9mm frame [ with the correct extra locking lug pin ],
and equally possible to swap a 9mm slide on to a .40 frame.
But I don't bother with the complete slide swaps any more ....
I just use a conversion barrel in the .40 slide and frame.
PS:
I just sold one of my 6" SS .357 SIG barrels to a G22 owner, who had shot IPSC for years with a G17 9MM Barrel he had rechambered to .9MM/40 [ ALMOST the same as .357 SIG ... but not quite ]. The 9mm G 17 barrels are smaller in both outside barrel diameter, AND, in the width of the breach face.
However,
my buddy had hundreds of IOPSC MAJOR .40/9mm rounds through his G17 dimensioned barrel in a G22 slide & frame, with no issues ... even though that smaller 9 MM barrel is definitely slopping around inside the oversized .40 S&W slide.
I've also played around with the G23, using 9mm conversion barrels,
And used a G22 aftermarket recoil spring,
which stuck out the front of the slide quite a bit,
And that set up worked just fine.
Just as a point of interest,
NO,
SADLY,
you can NOT put a G23 slide on a G22, or vice versa.
Nor can you put a G27 slide on a G23, or vice versa.
THIS does NOT work because the barrel lugs and the frame lugs are spaced differently on the various standard, compact, ultra compact models of Glocks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When it comes to the Colt Govt model pistols,
BARREL LENGTH & SLIDE LENGTH & CALIBER SWAPS ARE A BIT EASIER
I've put Commander slides and barrels into Govt model frames,
and I've put Govt model barrels and slides into Commander frames,
and I've put VARIOUS different caliber slides on to VARIOUS different caliber frames.
All of this can be done with a bit of tweaking [ aka genuine GUN SMITING ].
In fact I once had a Colt Govt frame set up with a .45 ACP Govt length slide, also in .45 SUPER with a 6” ported SS coned barrel, in 9MM with a Commander slide and barrel, and also with an ACE .22 LR top end as well. By one of those strange co-incidences, the 9mm Commander top end was the most accurate of all of these.
Both the Glock AND the Colt pistols are great for multiple caliber conversions ...
IF you start with the right model, and IF you know what you are doing.
of course,
YPMMV
and
FREE advice on the internet is often worth a LOT less than you pay for it.
