Glock 34 in Production Division
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The idea behind 'production' is that competitors would use a box stock 'duty' pistol. Guns with barrels over 5", ports, compensators, etc, etc. generally do not conform to the current idea of a 'duty' pistol.
At the end of the discussion of pros-cons, and really the short answer:
They have to draw a line somewhere, and chose to not include it in the list.
At the end of the discussion of pros-cons, and really the short answer:
They have to draw a line somewhere, and chose to not include it in the list.
Wierd thing is that the Glock 35 is same Overall lenght as the 1911 as glock designed it to fit the box.
- But I guess several were scared of the glock and used the 5" rule to push it out of production. I am happy just to shot and let others argue the rules.
- But I guess several were scared of the glock and used the 5" rule to push it out of production. I am happy just to shot and let others argue the rules.
Back in the day, according to Vince Pinto IIRC, the rules were set to exclude the G34 & G35 as both were 'built for IPSC', and they didn't want to create a new division that was dominated by just one type of firearm. This is the same reasoning that has seen the Tanfoglio Stock Custom and the CZ SP01 Shadow denied approval. The basic SP01 was ordered in that configuration by a police dpartment so it passed the 'smells like a service pistol' test, even though the availabilty of race parts has caused a bit of controversy.
Radagast said:
The requirements for production legality are, when all is said and done, are that they must be acceptable to the "production commitee". The 'rules' and guiding mission that direct this commitee change like whim or wind.
The SP-01 is legal with all it's frippery because without CZs sponsorship dollars, the last IPSC World Shoot would have died aborning. Disgusting.
The G34-35 are not legal because they have barrels longer than 5"
The G35 has been adopted by several SWAT teams in the US, and also by "forward thinking" police departments as issue service pistols.
That's why both the G34 and G35 were made "legal" for USPSA Production Division.
What's my point, you say...? To say that the G34/35's are not allowed in Production because "they are not service pistols" is incorrect. It is the 5.3" barrel length and the (possibly) under 5lb trigger that keeps it out.
That's why both the G34 and G35 were made "legal" for USPSA Production Division.
What's my point, you say...? To say that the G34/35's are not allowed in Production because "they are not service pistols" is incorrect. It is the 5.3" barrel length and the (possibly) under 5lb trigger that keeps it out.
I'll jump in here, nice pistol, the extra length may help as the line of sight is greater, but the slide is extra mass, although it probably wouldn't make a difference. You never know with production division, anything is possible
. Maybe if Glock sponsors the next world shoot maybe we will see it in production division (JK ).
The mentality of the rules committee is a little predisposed to hunting for reasons to keep pistols out, but , it is their job to try and keep production division even.(?)
IN an ever -evolving world, it is inevitable that some agencies will start using the very pistols that production committee has deemed unfit for production division. (ie: some agencies are now using the Glock 34), The USP Expert (about the same length of the 34) is used by some agencies in the US with a jet funnel but with the DAO LEM triggers system; but I doubt it will ever see production division, as we all now that no one in there right mind would add a part that helps facilitate quick mag changes on a duty gun.
However, trying to keep the race out of production division can not be an easy battle.
little rant off
. Maybe if Glock sponsors the next world shoot maybe we will see it in production division (JK ).The mentality of the rules committee is a little predisposed to hunting for reasons to keep pistols out, but , it is their job to try and keep production division even.(?)
IN an ever -evolving world, it is inevitable that some agencies will start using the very pistols that production committee has deemed unfit for production division. (ie: some agencies are now using the Glock 34), The USP Expert (about the same length of the 34) is used by some agencies in the US with a jet funnel but with the DAO LEM triggers system; but I doubt it will ever see production division, as we all now that no one in there right mind would add a part that helps facilitate quick mag changes on a duty gun.
However, trying to keep the race out of production division can not be an easy battle.
little rant off
maurice said:
Actually, the G34/35's slide doesn't have any extra mass....that's the reason for the hole in the top of the slide, to keep the slide mass equal to the G17/G22 so they can still use the OEM 17lb recoil spring.
Six Star said:Actually, the G34/35's slide doesn't have any extra mass....that's the reason for the hole in the top of the slide, to keep the slide mass equal to the G17/G22 so they can still use the OEM 17lb recoil spring.
didn't know that. Exact same weight?
I've seen this extra weight thing bounced around and argued both ways, and decided to see for myself. I used to own a G17, a G34, and a G35. G17 and the G34 weigh exactly the same. G35 weighs more, and definitely is nose heavier when you aim it. I don't have a G22 to weigh and see if it is the same as the G17. According to Robin Taylor's book 'The Glock in Competition', the G35 is heavier than a G22 since they didn't do the internal slide lightening cuts on the G35 that they did on the G34. Personally, I think they got it right in the G35, and should have kept the G34 slide heavier. Not allowing it in Production is kinda dumb, since IDPA allows it in Stock Service and USPSA allows it in Production. Go figure !!!
