Glock Abuse!!!! (funny)
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Slavex,
For a guy who bashes the tupperware so much and claims all us Glock owners are kool-aid drinkers I have but a couple questions for you. Being sponsored by Beretta don't you think you're the biggest Kool-aid drinker of them all? Furthermore, if you believe that the Glock isn't a great firearm and is "more prone to going off in the holster", falls apart, shears lockinglugs, detonates primers when being cycled, safeties that fail, KB all the time... Then why are you buying one???? Even if you agree that a Glock is an excellent gun you're still a Kool-aid drinker!
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61754
(scroll down to the bottom and read Mr. Slavex's post)
CF
For a guy who bashes the tupperware so much and claims all us Glock owners are kool-aid drinkers I have but a couple questions for you. Being sponsored by Beretta don't you think you're the biggest Kool-aid drinker of them all? Furthermore, if you believe that the Glock isn't a great firearm and is "more prone to going off in the holster", falls apart, shears lockinglugs, detonates primers when being cycled, safeties that fail, KB all the time... Then why are you buying one???? Even if you agree that a Glock is an excellent gun you're still a Kool-aid drinker!
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61754
(scroll down to the bottom and read Mr. Slavex's post)
CF
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oh, my god, have you read nothing of what I posted? I don't tout Beretta as being the end all be all of handguns. Jesus Christ some of you people are thick. A Glock is no better than any other modern handgun out there, but some of you, whom I and many others, call KoolAid drinkers, seem to think it's the end all be all of handguns. It's not, neither is a Sig, neither is a HK, Walther, Beretta, etc etc etc. But you seem to think that because you like yours that everyone else must fall down and worship the polymer god you jerk off to every night. Glocks fail just like other guns, pins break, parts fall out, locking blocks fail, guns get destroyed by KB's (that wouldn't hurt an alloy or steel framed gun), just like rails rip off Sigs, locking blocks break in Beretta's, hell, as I've already mentioned I've got a BERETTA heading back to the USA to be replaced after it FAILED (it was a .40 after all).
so now for those of you who are to goddamned slow to understand, lets repeat after me, "The gun that is the best is the one that fits YOU the best" it's really quite simple. Anyone moron, myself included, can design a test that will favour any gun, which is exactly what gun manufacturers do when they promote their guns, you get that right? it's called marketing, it's how McDonald's sells billions of hamburgers, it's how Coke sells pop, and it's how Glock, Beretta, Sig, Walther et al sell guns. If you want to believe marketing hype go for it, you won't be the first, and you won't be the last. Or you could actually find a gun that suits you and use it to the best of your ability.
and yes I'll be picking up a G19, in all of this I've never said that Glocks suck, I just shoot Beretta's better. But I also like the G19, it's nice and small and reasonably accurate.
now you asked me a question about failures I've seen, in particular the safety falling out and the pins breaking. Ok the trigger safety was cracked and fell out of the trigger, the pin was still in. the broken pins I've seen have been in LEO guns as well as civy guns. In the LEO guns I saw recently the pins weren't noticeable until the gun was taken apart by an ARMORER, but in the civy guns the pins were smashed up enough to fall apart inside the gun and work their way out into the internal workings of the gun, luckily they were still able to be taken apart, though I understand it was difficult. I also forgot to mention (I think) the broken locking lugs (which comprises of the entire barrel in a Glock) I've seen that rendered the gun completely serviceable until a new barrel was obtained. Remember they are just mechanical devices and mechanical devices fail. you posted about Glocks going over 150,000 rounds, whipty do, I've got an Italian 96 with 160,000+ rounds through it. Ted Nugent has one with over 150,000 rounds through it. Big deal.
so now for those of you who are to goddamned slow to understand, lets repeat after me, "The gun that is the best is the one that fits YOU the best" it's really quite simple. Anyone moron, myself included, can design a test that will favour any gun, which is exactly what gun manufacturers do when they promote their guns, you get that right? it's called marketing, it's how McDonald's sells billions of hamburgers, it's how Coke sells pop, and it's how Glock, Beretta, Sig, Walther et al sell guns. If you want to believe marketing hype go for it, you won't be the first, and you won't be the last. Or you could actually find a gun that suits you and use it to the best of your ability.
and yes I'll be picking up a G19, in all of this I've never said that Glocks suck, I just shoot Beretta's better. But I also like the G19, it's nice and small and reasonably accurate.
now you asked me a question about failures I've seen, in particular the safety falling out and the pins breaking. Ok the trigger safety was cracked and fell out of the trigger, the pin was still in. the broken pins I've seen have been in LEO guns as well as civy guns. In the LEO guns I saw recently the pins weren't noticeable until the gun was taken apart by an ARMORER, but in the civy guns the pins were smashed up enough to fall apart inside the gun and work their way out into the internal workings of the gun, luckily they were still able to be taken apart, though I understand it was difficult. I also forgot to mention (I think) the broken locking lugs (which comprises of the entire barrel in a Glock) I've seen that rendered the gun completely serviceable until a new barrel was obtained. Remember they are just mechanical devices and mechanical devices fail. you posted about Glocks going over 150,000 rounds, whipty do, I've got an Italian 96 with 160,000+ rounds through it. Ted Nugent has one with over 150,000 rounds through it. Big deal.
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I consider the big 4 to be Glock, Beretta, Sig, and HK, and I consider them to be better than pretty much any other make of handgun out there, at least of the "duty" type. If you agre that glock is in some list of the top handguns (and it seems that you do, above), then to accuse people who simply like the gun of being some kind of cultists or "kool aid drinkers" is intellectually dishonest, and really, rather lame. It's called an "ad hominem" attack, in which you seek to cast aspersions on your opponent in a debate, rather than bolstering your own argument via reasoned statements.
If the crux of your argument is that we are a bunch of loser fanboys who can't make an objective decision because we are too stupid to see past marketing hype... well, it doesn't say much for your side of the argument.
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Slavex,
I never said my Glock was the be all to end all of handguns. As you pointed out it is a mechanical device and I agree it can and will break. However, in comparison to other well made firearms or as bartledan prefers "the big 4" I still maintain that the Glock line of pistols is a cut above the rest. The torture test performed by the gentleman above as well as many other published accounts proves the point. Are Beretta's at the bottom of the barrel?? NO! There are plenty of worse firearms out there. To group the reliability and durability of the Beretta with the Glock is similar in respects to comparing your minivan to your Hummer. Yes they both do the same job. One just does is better under more adverse conditions.
In respect to the claims of high round counts. I don't believe I have ever stated numbers( I could be wrong, I haven't re read the thread to check). However, seeing as the numbers are viewed as nothing special I must add that these numbers in most cases were achieved with 100% original parts and often times with ZERO failures of any kind. Any one can say they put X number a rounds through their gun. Can they say they did it on original parts out of the box without any failures(or gunsmithing to get it running).
I agree that the best gun is the one that fits you best, but it is also a good idea to pick the most reliable gun that fits you. I'm not saying the Glock fits everyone, I know it doesn't. I'm simply saying that if multiple guns fit your hand than now you can get picky and choose the most reliable gun from that selection. Seeing as how Beretta's have very large grips I'd say that most of the population are not suitable to shoot one. Which leaves me to believe that for many, they chose the gun based on a different merit. Slavex you state that you shoot Beretta's better than other pistols, and that the best pistol is the one that fits you best and that you can shoot best. You even stated in a previous thread(glock,beretta linked below) that you'd own a buch of them if they fit your hands better So why buy the Glock 19?Why buy the compact model as apposed to the full size 17? Based on your logic of selecting firearms, I'd say you're setting yourself up for less than ideal results? Perhaps this same philosophy applies to current and/or future Beretta users??(as well as HK SIG WALTHER 1911 etc etc users)
In response to your information regarding the Glock pin failures; Seeing as how the full context of the situations has been disclosed I can't help but wonder what other informative "facts" you've published are missing crucial information? As you stated yourself in several cases, the pistol continued to function. Seeing how the trigger safety was cracked, I'd chalk that up to operator error for not inspecting his firearm prior to use. Although as you stated the firearm continued to function. Again the same prognosis applies to the lug issue. Your own factual information simply illustrates the durability of the Glock platform. Durability and reliability were the focal points of the tests illustrated above. No where in the thread did this "Glock guy" indicate that the Glock was the best gun and should be the only choice for citizens, LEO, or military personnel. Some state that the tests conducted are nothing special and most modern handguns can handle it. I have yet to see any other maker or owner of a different make illustrate that point. The Springfield XD being the exception, in that the XD is the closest copy of a Glock I have yet to see. HK has done some of their own testing which from what I read is quite harsh. However, "Glock guy's" test of the HK vs Glock does put some doubt in my mind about HK's validity.
In a previous thread Glock,Beretta (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58734&page=4) you state and I quote: " Glock is no more reliable than any other modern handgun..." By simply re reading your own posts throughout this thread as well as the other mentioned above, you'll see that you have indeed confirmed the "lie" that Glocks are indeed more reliable than other pistols.
At the end of the day, buy what you like. Whether that choice be based on facts, practical uses/features or straight up bling factor. The choice is yours. Just remember.... Ignorance is Bliss.
CF
I never said my Glock was the be all to end all of handguns. As you pointed out it is a mechanical device and I agree it can and will break. However, in comparison to other well made firearms or as bartledan prefers "the big 4" I still maintain that the Glock line of pistols is a cut above the rest. The torture test performed by the gentleman above as well as many other published accounts proves the point. Are Beretta's at the bottom of the barrel?? NO! There are plenty of worse firearms out there. To group the reliability and durability of the Beretta with the Glock is similar in respects to comparing your minivan to your Hummer. Yes they both do the same job. One just does is better under more adverse conditions.
In respect to the claims of high round counts. I don't believe I have ever stated numbers( I could be wrong, I haven't re read the thread to check). However, seeing as the numbers are viewed as nothing special I must add that these numbers in most cases were achieved with 100% original parts and often times with ZERO failures of any kind. Any one can say they put X number a rounds through their gun. Can they say they did it on original parts out of the box without any failures(or gunsmithing to get it running).
I agree that the best gun is the one that fits you best, but it is also a good idea to pick the most reliable gun that fits you. I'm not saying the Glock fits everyone, I know it doesn't. I'm simply saying that if multiple guns fit your hand than now you can get picky and choose the most reliable gun from that selection. Seeing as how Beretta's have very large grips I'd say that most of the population are not suitable to shoot one. Which leaves me to believe that for many, they chose the gun based on a different merit. Slavex you state that you shoot Beretta's better than other pistols, and that the best pistol is the one that fits you best and that you can shoot best. You even stated in a previous thread(glock,beretta linked below) that you'd own a buch of them if they fit your hands better So why buy the Glock 19?Why buy the compact model as apposed to the full size 17? Based on your logic of selecting firearms, I'd say you're setting yourself up for less than ideal results? Perhaps this same philosophy applies to current and/or future Beretta users??(as well as HK SIG WALTHER 1911 etc etc users)
In response to your information regarding the Glock pin failures; Seeing as how the full context of the situations has been disclosed I can't help but wonder what other informative "facts" you've published are missing crucial information? As you stated yourself in several cases, the pistol continued to function. Seeing how the trigger safety was cracked, I'd chalk that up to operator error for not inspecting his firearm prior to use. Although as you stated the firearm continued to function. Again the same prognosis applies to the lug issue. Your own factual information simply illustrates the durability of the Glock platform. Durability and reliability were the focal points of the tests illustrated above. No where in the thread did this "Glock guy" indicate that the Glock was the best gun and should be the only choice for citizens, LEO, or military personnel. Some state that the tests conducted are nothing special and most modern handguns can handle it. I have yet to see any other maker or owner of a different make illustrate that point. The Springfield XD being the exception, in that the XD is the closest copy of a Glock I have yet to see. HK has done some of their own testing which from what I read is quite harsh. However, "Glock guy's" test of the HK vs Glock does put some doubt in my mind about HK's validity.
In a previous thread Glock,Beretta (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58734&page=4) you state and I quote: " Glock is no more reliable than any other modern handgun..." By simply re reading your own posts throughout this thread as well as the other mentioned above, you'll see that you have indeed confirmed the "lie" that Glocks are indeed more reliable than other pistols.
At the end of the day, buy what you like. Whether that choice be based on facts, practical uses/features or straight up bling factor. The choice is yours. Just remember.... Ignorance is Bliss.
CF
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