Glock, Beretta,
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OK, Beretta - all pros, Glock- all cons 
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what exactly do you mean? they're two quite dirrerent guns...
both are full size service type guns, some people find berettas grip too large, but also a lot of people don't like the angle of Glocks grip. Both are reliable, accurate, and durable...
lol what exactly do you mean? they're two quite dirrerent guns...
both are full size service type guns, some people find berettas grip too large, but also a lot of people don't like the angle of Glocks grip. Both are reliable, accurate, and durable...
What I mean is how realiable is the glock 17 and does it matter that most of the parts are plastic and with all the three safty features on the glock 17 does this make it a pain to work with.
I have fired the Beretta 92fs and found that the gun is comfortable to fire. Is the double action a better feature to have?
I have fired the Beretta 92fs and found that the gun is comfortable to fire. Is the double action a better feature to have?
safety features on a Glock lol, there is no manual safety like on a Beretta, the trigger 'safety' feels a little mushy but no big deal...and yes Glock is pretty reliable.
92FS is DA/SA Glock is DA only. One thing I don't like about DAO is that you can't restrike a round, (which you can do with a DA/SA) you have to rack the slide again (thus ejecting the round).
92FS is DA/SA Glock is DA only. One thing I don't like about DAO is that you can't restrike a round, (which you can do with a DA/SA) you have to rack the slide again (thus ejecting the round).
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gushulak
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Glocks are probably the most reliable guns on the market, some have over half a million rounds through them. You won't notice the safeties, their all internal. Glock's are great pistols, but you might find the low bore axis is not for you.
Beretta's feel very chunky too me and the controls are big. See if you can try out each gun before you lay down your cash, both these guns are very much to each their own type pistols. I love Glocks and don't care for much anything else, they don't feel quite the same, but best to try for yourself.
Beretta's feel very chunky too me and the controls are big. See if you can try out each gun before you lay down your cash, both these guns are very much to each their own type pistols. I love Glocks and don't care for much anything else, they don't feel quite the same, but best to try for yourself.
No problems with durability on the Glocks with the quantities that most folks are going to shoot. I've shot probably 6000 rounds through my G17 (most of it hot IVI ball) with zero problems—it doesn't look that different from when it was new. I know one guy whose slide developed a crack at around the 20k round mark (although I don't remember what model it was), he had a new slide sent to him by Glock. The safeties are not even noticed when you're shooting—they're all deactivated by pulling the trigger. IMLugger does make a valid point on the second strike capability, but in all honesty in my 22 years of shooting I have never had a dud round in any centrefire calibre—I do know they do occur, but for me it's not been an issue.RayT said:
(also +1 for gushulak's recommendation to try before you buy!)
IM_Lugger said:
I think you meant "Glock-type striker fired" rather than DAO. Most (if not all) hammer-fired DAO's are capable of a second strike on the primer.
The "advantage" of a second-strike capability is exaggerated, imho....I'd rather perform a TRB than stop to analyze the reason for a misfire by pulling the trigger a second time.
Anyhow...to answer the original poster's question...either are a good buy. If you want a "tool", buy the Glock. If you want a ###y looking pistol, buy the Beretta. (Yeah...I know...I need to get out more).
Yes, but most DAO don’t have a hammer and can’t restrike a round. Although new Taurus 24/7 and FN 49 are hammerless but they can restrike a round just like DA/SA. I know it’s rare, but how long does it really take to pull the trigger again? you don't even have to stop. Plus you can rack the slide again with a DA/SA just like with a DAO
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Am I missing something here...?
A Double Action Only pistol doesn't need a "thumb-able" hammer to fire again...you just pull the trigger. Just like a cap gun. Or an Enfield Mk1* revolver...Or a Beretta 96 DAO. IM_Lugger said:
It takes long enough to restrike a dud round that doesn't go off a second time to get you killed....because then you have to do a TRB anyway.
IT comes down to personal preference. I prefer Berettas. That being said for range use they seem to be equivalent. There is some commentary on other discussion boards that the Glock is better suited for duty carry(USA) and better in intemperate climates and situations - since it is more of a sealed package - as opposed to the barrel/slide design of the Beretta.
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As six star pointed out. Doing a TRB drill is the best option when the gun goes click when it should have gone bang. Most times the failure isn't the round, its the mag not being seated.(this of course refers to a first shot "click"). TRB drills eliminate multiple potential errors in one move. If a round fails to fire once, why would I bet my life or my scoring time on it again? Sounds to me like the second strike capability was designed for those who are on a tight ammo budget. Keep in mind that although the Glock is often referred to as a DA firing system, it is indeed a "safe double action". However you want to look at it, the trigger travels a mere .5 inches and the first 3/10ths of an inch are all free play.
As for reliability, I can say I've shot just under 16,000 rounds from my G17 and never ever had a failure. As for the open top design on the Beretta, I still don't see the benefit of such a design, only the ability to clog with dirt.
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Keep in mind that although the Glock is often referred to as a DA firing system, it is indeed a "safe double action". However you want to look at it, the trigger travels a mere .5 inches and the first 3/10ths of an inch are all free play. As for reliability, I can say I've shot just under 16,000 rounds from my G17 and never ever had a failure. As for the open top design on the Beretta, I still don't see the benefit of such a design, only the ability to clog with dirt.
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Hey, pal: Don't take IM Lugger's opinion as having any value whatsoever. He's not the tiniest bit objective and just chirps "Beretta is the best, all others are bad" as a response to every question.
I suspect he is uncomfortable with his Beretta purchase(s), and wants to convince as many people as he can to buy them, to help re-inforce the wisdom of his own choice, in his own mind.
Both are good guns, possibly great guns. I would say the Glock is a better idea for a new shooter, as it is more durable, and simpler to operate, strip, clean, etc.
I suspect he is uncomfortable with his Beretta purchase(s), and wants to convince as many people as he can to buy them, to help re-inforce the wisdom of his own choice, in his own mind.
Both are good guns, possibly great guns. I would say the Glock is a better idea for a new shooter, as it is more durable, and simpler to operate, strip, clean, etc.
what a load of BS; if I would be unhappy with my purchase I would sell it, THAT SIMPLE! I don’t need to convince myself or anyone of anything!
As for Glock being easier to strip and clean that is simply not true; have you even took down a Beretta?
If Glock is a better fit for him, good, but I don’t really care it; doesn’t effect me in any way… I already said that both guns are reliable, durable and accurate. As for the restrike capability that is just my personal preference.
IM_Lugger said:what a load of BS; if I would be unhappy with my purchase I would sell it, THAT SIMPLE! I don’t need to convince myself or anyone of anything!
As for Glock being easier to strip and clean that is simply not true; have you even took down a Beretta?
If Glock is a better fit for him, good, but I don’t really care it; doesn’t effect me in any way… I already said that both guns are reliable, durable and accurate. As for the restrike capability that is just my personal preference.
Are there two levels of stripping, maybe? Send me a video of you detail stripping your Beretta, and I'll send you $100.
Oh, and it's "Have you ever taken down a Beretta?", and the answer is that I have field stripped a Beretta. It it is the exact same number of motions as field stripping a Glock, and a Glock has no locking block to futz around with. I have not detail stripped a Beretta.
when you clean a gun (after after a shotting sesion etc) you don't detail strip it. And how exactly do you 'futz' around with a locking block
with Beretta you simply push the lever down and pull the slide forward, I can do that in 2 seconds or less, can you take a slide off a Glock in 2 seconds?
with Beretta you simply push the lever down and pull the slide forward, I can do that in 2 seconds or less, can you take a slide off a Glock in 2 seconds?
IM LUGER;
Not trying to be rude or get purposely off topic, but why do you always end up in the middle of online disputes/ arguements?
I would say the Beretta is a better SA gun, but more parts and levers are not that good of an idea. A glock is simple, and reliable. I do not think that it is as accurate as a TDA pistol that is firing from SA. However, the first shot from a TDA beretta is longer, and heavier than a Glock. I would say the Glock wins for simplicity and reliability. The added weight of the frame of a beretta may be help with any recoil. I wish my HK had a tad bit more weight.
Not trying to be rude or get purposely off topic, but why do you always end up in the middle of online disputes/ arguements?
I would say the Beretta is a better SA gun, but more parts and levers are not that good of an idea. A glock is simple, and reliable. I do not think that it is as accurate as a TDA pistol that is firing from SA. However, the first shot from a TDA beretta is longer, and heavier than a Glock. I would say the Glock wins for simplicity and reliability. The added weight of the frame of a beretta may be help with any recoil. I wish my HK had a tad bit more weight.
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Bartledan, congratulations on turning someone's topic into an argument. PM IM_Lugger if you have a problem, I'm sure the rest of us don't want to hear your opinion of other members.
In regards to the topic at hand, I've fired a Glock 35 and my own Beretta 92. Both are accurate pistols, it all comes down to a matter of personal preference. Both pistols are made by large international manufacturers, and both have a well regarded reputation. It seems that too many people take personal offence when their "favorite" is criticized. Look forward to being called a "fanboy" or other deragatory term for whichever pistol you choose.
In regards to the topic at hand, I've fired a Glock 35 and my own Beretta 92. Both are accurate pistols, it all comes down to a matter of personal preference. Both pistols are made by large international manufacturers, and both have a well regarded reputation. It seems that too many people take personal offence when their "favorite" is criticized. Look forward to being called a "fanboy" or other deragatory term for whichever pistol you choose.
