Glock, Beretta,

Don't want to start another flame here, but Bartledan is right. The Glock does indeed have fewer parts than a Beretta. In fact it has fewer parts than any pistol. In terms of field stripping, well other than a 1911, they're all stupid simple.

CF
 
Glock Gets My Vote

Glock all the way... Owned lots of Beretta's. They're good if you like that "table leg" grip on them. But these days I'd prefer a Glock over a Beretta any day of the week. In fact I have a Glock 22 that has over 25,000 rounds of .40 S&W cal ctgs thru it without a hic-cup. Would like to see one of my former Beretta's after digesting that amount of ammo... ;)
 
The Vertec has a "1911" feel to it, including the very short SA trigger action. If anything, I'd say that Beretta overshot the mark in their attempt to make the 92/96 model more "small hand user friendly". They should have stopped at the smaller grip. It really wasn't necessary to shorten the trigger action as well. I've managed to "split the difference" by installing the standard 92/96 trigger and made the whole pistol MUCH nicer to shoot by installing the 'D' mainspring. Nice pistol. ;)
Having said that, if I had to fight with a pistol, I'd take my G17. :D
 
IM_Lugger said:
when you clean a gun (after after a shotting sesion etc) you don't detail strip it. And how exactly do you 'futz' around with a locking block :confused:

with Beretta you simply push the lever down and pull the slide forward, I can do that in 2 seconds or less, can you take a slide off a Glock in 2 seconds?
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Well... yes, you do detail strip it for a complete cleaning, every few thousand rounds. I do it every thousand, and some wicked dust bunnies come out of there.

And I have to assume that you've never field stripped a Glock. Two seconds, no problem. I'll grant that the Beretta is a bit easier, as the tab on the glock takes a bit of grip to hold on to, but there is no more time involved. In fact, I can detail strip and re-assemble a Glock in, what, four minutes? Glocks are the easiest gun in the world to detail strip.

"Futzing around" with the locking block involves making sure it goes back in the way it was before the gun was field stripped. There is none of that on any other make of gun. It's not that big a deal, but a Canadian shooter can find themselves in the position of not having ever "seen it done", and there is nothing like dropping the hammer on a gun you are not absolutely sure you put back together properly.

Corey3

Following your argument, why didn't you PM me, you big drama queen? Who wants a hug! :)
 
ok glock is the easiest to detail strip, but Beretta is the easiest to field (partly) strip for a regular 'quicky' cleaning...anything else you would like to argue about?
 
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RayT said:
What are some Pros and Cons about the Glock 17 and Beretta 92FS,
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Glock ... The biggest breakthru in gun technology since 1911 .. The Glock is idiot proof, indestructable, and 100% reliable. very easy
to maintain.

Get a Glock 17 and use it for IPSC, IDPA, Bullseye (with a .22 upper), and
PPC, and home defence

put 30,000 rounds thru it this year and then report back, let us know what you think.

You could also do all of the above with the 92FS

Come to think of it ... get both guns ...
Get into handloading ... for those 30,000 rounds
 
IM_Lugger said:
ok glock is the easiest to detail strip, but Beretta is the easiest to field (partly) strip for a regular 'quicky' cleaning...anything else you would like to argue about?
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No, I think the presence of the locking block complicates the Beretta just enough to offset the only-slightly-less-stupid-simple (and they are both stupid-simple) takedown of the Glock. I call that a field strip tie.

I think Sig beats both, for field strip.
 
I have have to say as far as cleaning goes Beretta has been a blessing; I only shoot FMJ and copper plated bullets, and clean the it after every shooting session, with only doing (partial) field stripping the gun is spotless...

i have to admit I never actually had to separate the locking block from the barrel, never really saw the need...the only time I'm going to do it is when it actually brakes or I see a crack in it, but I don't have to worry about it for many, many years :)
 
You know, I have to say here: I really love Berettas. Sweetest shooting gun there is, pretty much. Pointable, accurate, and fast. The Italian made ones seem to whisper ###ily when you hold them. It's not as though I have anything against them... Except I don't think you should buy one unless you've already got a Glock :)
 
Debating which slide comes off which gun the quickest is like debating who can cook a 3 minute egg "the quickest".
Two seconds, five seconds, ten seconds....who cares.:confused: You still have to spend the next 15, 20 or 30 minutes cleaning the friggin' thing. :rolleyes:
I own both a Glock and a Beretta. Both nice guns with design and function about as far apart as you can get, so you need to get both. :D
 
I don't know about the Beretta, but I just put a 3.5# connector in my G17c and it was really easy to work on.
 
Wow what a pissing contest we have here... :eek: :D

I like Beretta but I'm not a fanboy, I admit I bought one without actually shooting it.

I shot a Sig rental then bought one right after.

It really breaks down to if you like how it feels in your hand and how it shoots in your hand. :cool:
 
Glocks are no more reliable than any other modern handgun, I'd love to know who started that particular lie.
One thing I don't like about Glocks is the need to fire the gun in order to field strip it. If you look at incident reports of ND's, including ones causing death and injury, you'll see that it happened during an attempt to field strip the gun.
and I am trying to figure out the locking block comment, you don't take the locking block out during a field strip, during a detail strip yes, and it only goes back in one way.
Sigs are the worst to detail strip though, and I've done at least a thousand of them, and then re-assembled them, it sucks. and field stripping is harder, not much though, than either a Glock or a Beretta.

Now onto FTF drills. TRB's are a great way to clear guns, but can also cause all sorts of problems, especially if you do it the Glock way, with the hand covering the top of the slide. I know of two people who had light primer strikes and then TRB'd and had the round go off by hitting the ejector in their Glock. They then ended up with nice pieces of shrapnel in their hands and nice burns. Unless you are in the middle of a shooting or a competition, double striking the round, if possible, is a good idea. As well traditional DAO pistols can all strike a second time, S&W 5946's issued to the RCMP not included. Glocks do not fall under a traditional DAO description. they are a unique mix of DAO/SAO.
 
I don't want to start picking fights here, but the last time I checked, The guys over at TSE had some major issues with their Beretta's. As do the US servicemen overseas. All the contactors I've ever seen are sporting Glocks. Don't tell me its because they're cheap either, that's a load of ####.

In regards to a TRB drill, anyone who covers the E port needs a slap. Proper technique is just as critical as the action itself. Getting rounds caught on the ejector and causing an ND is something I have a hard time believing. Seeing as how the round has no room for movement, how could the primer of a live round contact the ejector which is positioned on the outside rim of the casing? Even so, I'd chalk that up to a poor TRB drill and a freak accident. By TRB your pistol when you encounter a first round FTF you eliminate all other possibilities. The prime candidate would be unseated mags. By simply second striking, all you get is an empty chamber which results in your death or a poor time. By using the same drill for every malfunction, you have less to learn, less to remember, and less to forget. By TRB your pistol you eliminate the possibility of an unseated mag, then by racking it you ensure that the bad round( if it is indeed a bad round) is ejected from the pistol, and a fresh one inserted. Should you notice that your mag was indeed seated properly and no round ejects than you can presume that the problem is mag related,(not feeding) not ammo related. TRB simplifies problem solving your malfunction without wasting time or complicating life.

CF
 
I found the Glock to be a very fast or easy (pardon the simple adjectives, can't really describe it better) shooter. Very accurate at 15 yards, but at 25 or more it was quite a bit less accurate then any of its all steel conterparts.



GO 1911!!!
 
All the contactors I've ever seen are sporting Glocks. Don't tell me its because they're cheap either, that's a load of ####.
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well you don't see many cops carrying HKs... of course price is one of the major factors. Weight is also a factor (keep in mind cop's belt weighs about 9lbs).

obviously the gun has to be fairly durable and reliable, but there are many guns that meet that categorie...
 
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