Glock blocked: OPP dumps SIG for Glock

QUATTROISKING said:
I am a glock lover but to me it's simple, I have seen sigs,and many other pistole brands malfunction in some way while being shot... I have yet to see that happen to a glock not once...
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Then you haven't been around enough folks putting enough ammo through enough guns. I've ka-boomed a G21 and 2 G22's (all with factory ammo) and personally seen a 17L crack from the ejection port down to the frame rails badly enough that it malfunctioned periodically. As well, I've seen frame rails shear off of a few G22's. Most of the issues I've seen with Glocks have been .40's and if I were to pick one to be for the most part trouble free it would be the G17 - the only time I've seen one of them malfunction it was because of bad ammo or KCI mags. One of the older members at our club has a Gen1 with well north of 150K rounds through it...
 
Kidd X said:
Overrun guns are not in the "system" so yes they would be fine.
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So then, it was unnecessary and incorrect to call liftedjsmith a 'liar' in your previous post, being that he only said he thought they were selling pistols surplus to their needs, and he turned out to be correct, they were doing exactly that?
 
kxc223 said:
The OPP pistols were all double action only with no de cocker. As for the trigger action I'm sure that the new Glocks will be ordered with a much heavier trigger than the civilian versions as is common with most LE Agencies.
It will be interesting to see the configuration of the new pistol. The OPP were very reluctant to issue pistols with a rail as they did not want officers to have pistol mounted lights nor supply holsters to accommodate lights. As I understand it Sig did not want to produce P229 frames without a rail and wanted to introduce the DAK trigger system. Some officers were also issued P239's so I wonder what will replace those.
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So if all were DAO then there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for an exposed hammer. Pistol mounted lights are life savers not life takers, foolish administrations believe the contrary.

mudgunner49 said:
Then you haven't been around enough folks putting enough ammo through enough guns. I've ka-boomed a G21 and 2 G22's (all with factory ammo) and personally seen a 17L crack from the ejection port down to the frame rails badly enough that it malfunctioned periodically. As well, I've seen frame rails shear off of a few G22's. Most of the issues I've seen with Glocks have been .40's and if I were to pick one to be for the most part trouble free it would be the G17 - the only time I've seen one of them malfunction it was because of bad ammo or KCI mags. One of the older members at our club has a Gen1 with well north of 150K rounds through it...
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The .40 S&W Glock family is by far the worst models made. I wouldn't buy a .40S&W Glock if it was the last Glock on the planet. The catridge itself is nothing special other than it's reputation for destroying guns.

smally21 said:
So then, it was unnecessary and incorrect to call liftedjsmith a 'liar' in your previous post, being that he only said he thought they were selling pistols surplus to their needs, and he turned out to be correct, they were doing exactly that?
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Read his post again, nevermind I will post it here for you.
liftedjsmith said:
I thought the OPP just got, or were just selling off some sig p226 elite Sao 9mm? My LGS had 6 of them through MD Charleton. But I've read a few places that OPP uses 40s&w?
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Based on the words used it would be fair to surmise that liftedjsmith's post indicates that the OPP were the ones selling the pistols when in fact they were not. The contract over runs never made it into the LE inventory which means they were never OPP guns. Thus his statement is inaccurate as the OPP like any LE agency cannot sell their firearms to the public.
 
QUATTROISKING said:
I am a glock lover but to me it's simple, I have seen sigs,and many other pistole brands malfunction in some way while being shot... I have yet to see that happen to a glock not once...
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I had a bad case of Fiocchi 115 gr 9mm that had multiple failure to eject in a Gen 3 Glock 19 as well as an HK P2000. The G19 had more failures with the bad ammo.

In my experience Glocks are generally more tolerant of 'wimpy' ammunition than some European guns that are sprung for 9mm NATO.
 
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Kidd X said:
None of the brands you listed ever really took off. The Glock recipe of a DAO striker fired polymer framed pistol with no manual safety, very low bore axis, locked breach and high capacity is what everyone is trying to copy. The Savage 1907 is a single action steel frame rotating barrel design with a manual safety. The FN/Browning 1900 is also single action with a manual safety, it's also straight blowback(not a locked breach like modern pistols) and chambered in a very anemic cartridge. The VP70 is the closest cousin to a Glock and it did preceed it by a decade but was short lived, had a horrible trigger, lacked other features like replaceable sights and was not very successful.
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And your point is?

The P320, PPQ, FNS, APX, P07, M&P certainly share characteristics with the Glock in that they are striker fired, double stack, polymer frames. It hardly makes them copies.

Saying a VP70 trigger sucks to prop up the Glock is hilarious. As soon as you shoot the PPQ or P320 you realize how poor the Glock trigger is.
 
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Bologna alert!!!!!!!!


tt1900 said:
and your point is?

The p320, ppq, fns, apx, p07, m&p certainly share characteristics with the glock in that they are striker fired, double stack, polymer frames. It hardly makes them copies.

Saying a vp70 trigger sucks to prop up the glock is hilarious. As soon as you shoot the ppq or p320 you realize how poor the glock trigger is.
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QUATTROISKING said:
I am a glock lover but to me it's simple, I have seen sigs,and many other pistole brands malfunction in some way while being shot... I have yet to see that happen to a glock not once...
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You do any amount of shooting and you will quickly realize ALL pistols will fail and/or break. No make is immune, they all are mechanical devices. There are lots of very good guns in the market today, Glock is one but there are others.

Take Care
Bob
 
TT1900 said:
And your point is?

The P320, PPQ, FNS, APX, P07, M&P certainly share characteristics with the Glock in that they are striker fired, double stack, polymer frames. It hardly makes them copies.

Saying a VP70 trigger sucks to prop up the Glock is hilarious. As soon as you shoot the PPQ or P320 you realize how poor the Glock trigger is.
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The P320 trigger is better than classic sig triggers but it's really not that amazing at least the two i tried were mediocore at best, I would take a standard glock 5.5lb over that every time. The ppq is a single action trigger as is the sfp9 and 320 for the matter vs a glocks partial dao trigger. All but sig and smith have copied the trigger bar design, almost all but the walther are heavier, speaking of m&p even the 2.0 has a worse trigger than a stock glock. There are minor differences but there's no question who cemented the formula and who copied it, also the PPQ came out and died off the gate, can you point to some long term tests to show how well it holds up.

P.S. this is coming from someone who has never owned a glock and is a die hard Hk fanboy.
 
Bingo - Unit price, maintenance costs and spare parts are the primary driving force when deciding firearm contracts.

From what I understand (and understand very little) usually departments with a large budgets would go the Sig/HK route and the ones with smaller budgets would go Glock route. To me this makes perfect sense - lets look at the Canada for an example - In 2016 there was 6 fatal police shootings and we have over 70,000 active/sworn police officers.

Like it or not - it is a strategic move to save money on firearms and invest it into vehicles, radios, training, etc. Especially if you can get a firearm like Glock that has a VERY solid reputation for half the price or more.

Now Sig 320 is changing that - Sig is offering a pistol that is modular at a VERY VERY attractive price. Only time will tell if it will stand up to the worldly abuse like old Glocks/Sigs/HKs/etc did (IMHO).

GuiltySpark said:
Unit price, maintenance costs and spare parts are the primary driving force when deciding firearm contracts.
While I like both I can pick up a glock 17 for literally half the price of a Sig 226.
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